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New World Order Coin, Fake?

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 Posted 07/01/2012  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The composition and the claim of purity on the NWO side speaks volumes of that side's theme
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
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 Posted 07/01/2012  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aye this probably isn't silver. Plated brass gets my vote.
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 Posted 07/01/2012  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Steele to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just melt it down and then test it. that will give you an accurate reading.
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 Posted 07/01/2012  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Plated brass? Could you explain, though brass was yellow/goldish...
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 Posted 07/01/2012  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
definitely not silver. Absolutely no need to plate a silver core with copper and finish it some more on top of that

brass is a copper-zinc alloy. by varying the amount of zinc versus copper, you can get brass that is more silvery than yellowish.
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 Posted 07/01/2012  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This piece is NOT a coin. It is a commercial fantasy piece.
Best sold in flea markets, along with the trained fleas.

The Mighty Angelo would have been proud!
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 Posted 07/01/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tmaring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes a commercial fantasy piece. It was very probably silver because obscure fantasies are seldom faked. The slightly heavy weight is not an issue as it can be very difficult to punch and finish coin blanks to exact weight. Most legitimate makers will let them be a little heavy just to be sure they're not light. It was probably done in quite low quantities and WAS probably worth a great deal more than many other silver bullion coins of the same weight, simply due to scarcity and an interesting theme. Do you know the diamagnetic test? It is non-destructive. It works best on bars but will work on rounds if you have a small strong rare-earth magnet. Silver is not ferromagnetic, but it is diamagnetic. If you let the magnet slide down the slanted surface of the coin it will be very markedly slowed in its travel.
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07/01/2012 10:44 pm
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Get an acid kit ALL, and simple knife sharping stone....

Take the coin and rub the rim until a nice silver mark is there, and drop some 18k acid on it and hope it turns a bluish silver color....

Best part is it does not damage the coin at all. As I would NEVER do that again as it destroyed that coin, real or fake....
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 Posted 07/01/2012  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You CAN, if you want to, track the products of acid testing for this coin, with a telescope!
METHOD:

1.) Reduce all of the 'coin' to filings,
2.) pour them into a narrow necked bottle,
3.) half fill the bottle with builder's (hydrochloric) acid,
4.) attach a toy balloon over the neck of the bottle,
5.) allow the balloon to fill with hydrogen.
6.) When the balloon is inflated, remove from the bottle, and tie the neck off.
7.) For garnishing, add a small length of cotton thread, from which a 6x6 inch square piece of aluminium foil is attached.
8.) Release into the early evening sky, and track with a telescope.

With a bit of luck, someone will report seeing strange lights in the sky, and report them to the local radio station or newspaper.


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 Posted 07/02/2012  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, after most of your explanations, I'm ready to believe it is not silver. I was also surprised to find a copper layer and then silvery metal after, so I thought it was impossible for it to be. Anyway, probably in the future I'll melt it and see what it's truly made out of. I'm sorry if I made anyone angry by cutting the coin. Thank you for all your help.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apollo: It's your coin. You have taken the risk. It is to your credit. For $3, I would have bought it out of curiosity as well.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Think I would have done a lot more research on the piece before doing destructive testing on it. Even if it isn't pure silver, it would have still had some collector value to those collecting medals and tokens.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add traevin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to tell you after you destroyed it, (wish I'd been on yesterday), but it's very much real silver. I have one in my collection. They were put out in a limited run in 2009. Very popular at the time and HIGHLY collectible. Went for $25ish when silver was selling for $13.

Too bad.

Did you even check ebay, first? There are about half a dozen listed for sale.

Average price: $100!


There is a valuable lesson to be learned here.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
traevin: Is it possible for you to provide a link for this piece?

OR,

Can anybody else who has read this thread able to do that?
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 Posted 07/02/2012  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one that is currently up for sale.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-OZ-PURE-9...em19d286205f

Here's more priced between $100-139.95
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sac...ounce+silver

Just a little searching would have given you the answer you needed.
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07/02/2012 9:42 pm
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