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Die Trial Piece From Ancient Rome!

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 Posted 07/04/2012  2:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tibsi67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Look this die trial piece of obverse side from Philippus I. antoninianus.

- Diameter: 24.62 mm
- Weight: 12.24 g
- Depth: 2-3 mm
- Material: tin or/and lead

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 Posted 07/04/2012  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic! But how do you know what it is? I would have no idea if I saw one. Also, how did you come about to having this piece? Very interesting.
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To me it looks like an antoninianus accidentally struck on a flan for a follis. I'm curious to what the experts think.
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wow, that is really cool...so it isn't bronze?
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to the community.

I was under the impression that trail pieces where pressed into clay and harderned and metal wasn't used until the design was ready. The reverse looks like it has what was another bust.
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It is a trial die piece of a "Roman coin", all right, but I'm pretty sure it's not from ancient times. The obverse is an exact match for this modern replica on the FORVM fakes database - I'm looking particularly at the shape of the "S", and the strange elongated "1" shape of the second "I" in PHILIPPVS, and the die crack connecting the bottom of the portrait to the beaded border.

The similarities are too close to be coincidental. I'm afraid this may have been an object used to test the efficacy of a modern forger's die.
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 Posted 07/05/2012  06:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tibsi67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, there is eagle's eye of Sap. I will return the piece immediately to seller.

I found other examples:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fa...hp?pos=-5298
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fa...hp?pos=-9689

Uh, this is a sticky case...
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Sap, that sure looks like a match!
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