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 Posted 02/27/2007  10:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ironman1958 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can anyone give me information or has any dealings with acc coins coins I have bought from a local dealer at ms65 have come back a ms 65, I submitted the coins in a different flip so they would not know the grade I bought them at. web address is acccoins.com
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 Posted 02/27/2007  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ironman - please only post one thread, as posting 5 of them will do you no good whatsoever. I have not dealt with these guys, but someone here probably has.
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sorry but this forum kept giving me a error message so I thought I was doing something wrong
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 Posted 02/27/2007  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ironman and welcome to the forum! Lots of friendly people here with plenty of expertise to help out.

ACC acccoins.com is yet unproven as a serious grading company although its website is more straightforward than most of the other hundred plus such wannabe slabbers. Treat the coin as a raw coin rather than one which has been professionally graded by one of the top TPGs (PCGS, ANACS, NGC, and ICG) until proven otherwise. Like ALL the other wannabe slabbers except for the top four TPGs, ACC does not offer a guarantee of its grades.

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hey fred...the owner of acc coins was a former grader with pcgs and was let go for being too conservative...imagine that!!!...with the coins I have graded by them I did receive a certificate of authenticity which guarantees the coin for life....if that helps any...but I must say they have been accurate with the coins I have had graded...coins I have bought from a local certified ngc dealer that were uncertified I sent to them in different flips have come back the same grade

Dave
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 Posted 02/28/2007  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ACC will still have a long uphill road to travel to receive industry recognition as a legitimate slabber no matter how impeccable his credentials. The top TPGs are well-entrenched with huge bases of support and the numbers of coins already graded over the years ensures their continued success in the market. If ACC had started out as more than a one-person operation (I don't count the woman who does not have a numismatic background), hired two or three graders away from PCGS, ANACS, ICG, and/or NGC, embarked on a huge well-funded publicity and public relations campaign prior to launch, attended major coin shows with on-site grading and slabbing, and was otherwise well-funded (hundreds of thousands, maybe more than a million), then it might have had a chance to play in the major leagues. However, as it stands right now, it is perceived as just another alphabet slabber and will never gain market acceptance. Why have a coin graded and slabbed if the market has never heard of the slabber and there is no guarantee of grading accuracy? The only advantage is that the coin is protected in a holder. I give ACC two to three more years before it folds.

I am also not comfortable with his description of Mint State coins: "MS60 to MS69 coins may have scratches, contact marks and other surface imperfections which will determine the grade." MS-67 and above should not have scratches nor bag marks. The only differences from MS-67 to MS-70 is in the quality of the strike.

A certificate of authenticity for a slabbed coin is a redundancy. The slab itself is all the guarantee of authenticity needed if the TPG is reputable. From ACC's website, I would feel comfortable that he is not slabbing a counterfeit, but that's about the limit of my comfort level until his coins have been on the market for a few years and have withstood the test of time.
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