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I Cannot Identify Where This Mysterious Coin Come From

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Singapore
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 Posted 07/09/2012  10:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add andyski to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is my first time to post here. Last week I got a coin, please see the attached picture. In front, there was an emperor but only with single ear, on the back, there are 4 Chinese words, but I cannot understand what is the left word? And I search a lot history period online, cannot find which period this coin is from.

I suspect maybe this coin is from some other asian countries, like Korea, Japan and some countries with chinese culture.

Need our friends to help identify.

By the way, I also collect some Spanish (Carolus IIII 1801) coins.

Welcome to discuss on board. Thanks.

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Canada
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 Posted 07/09/2012  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Chinese coin is a modern fantasy. It is not silver. If the Mexican coin came from the same source, it is a fake. There seem to be pits around some of the letters, which show casting was involved in the process of manufacturing this piece. These Chinese fantasies/fakes are now very common. In China, where they are made, they are available for a dollar or 2, if you can argue very well. Check if they are magnetic. Do a ring test with a known silver coin. Check the details with a magnifying glass.
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United States
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 Posted 07/09/2012  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manymore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum, andyski!

The Chinese "coin" is not really a coin in the sense of being money. It has no denomination.

The Chinese like to commemorate their history and culture by producing these types of medals and souvenir pieces.

Therefore, these pieces are not really fakes or fantasy coins which are meant to deceive people into thinking they are "real" coins.

The reverse side displays a dragon with 5-claws. The 5-claw dragon was a symbol of the emperor of China.

The four Chinese characters are bing chen ji nian (丙辰紀念) which translates "commemorating the year bing chen".

The year, in this case, is specified according to the traditional Chinese calendar which paired one of the "Ten Heavenly Stems" with one of the "Twelve Earthly Branches". The cycle repeated every 60 years.

In regard to the last emperors of China (Qing Dynasty 1644-1911), bing chen could represent the year 1676, 1736, 1796 or 1856.

The Jiaqing Emperor began his reign in the year 1796 so my "best guess" is that this piece is commemorating the reign of this emperor.

These historical/cultural medals and souvenirs are produced in large quantities and, as coinsnpaper has stated, can be obtained for a dollar or two.

Gary
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Singapore
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 Posted 07/09/2012  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyski to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for your kind reply.

Now I understand more about this coin. Actually I bought these coins from the antique dealers in Singapore. I am not sure they are real or not. Anyway, I am enthusiastic on collections. :)

I also can learn quite a lot history from the coins. Very interesting. I know nowadays it is very hard to get the real antique, luckily I never pay high price for those I cannot identify.
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China
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 Posted 07/23/2012  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nevawind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is a modern "fabricate" coin, the "bing chen year" refer to 1916, the people in the coin is Yuan Shikaihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Shikai who had been emperor only 83 days.
The real coin is more beautiful
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Singapore
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 Posted 07/23/2012  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyski to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@nevawind, yes, correct! The authenticate one looks very nice and also with grade. Now how much is this in the open market?
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China
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 Posted 07/23/2012  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nevawind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, the Qing emperor is Manchu people ,their crown is different from Han people's crown, so it is impossible a Qing emperor.
Regards.
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United States
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 Posted 01/09/2013  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murdog77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just so happen to pick these two coins up in 2009 during a trip through NW Thailand. It is exactly like yours. The other one... I can't seem to really figure out as it is a Morgan One Troy Ounce 1896? Did you ever find out their value or if they are copper or silver? They 'sound' silver.....

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 Posted 06/08/2013  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tomchang1924 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry to say that The Yuan portrait medals not slabbed in the above postings are both modern counterfeit.
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