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Did Someone Just Get The Steal Of The Year?

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 Posted 07/15/2012  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With some of the nations top coin dealers now on ebay, if the coin was real I think bids would have gotten much higher than the $531 price paid. I think color might be an issue with this one.
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 Posted 07/15/2012  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not very familiar with private and territorial gold but the present specimen does not appear to be genuine.
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Most likely a fake. I looked at the only example listed at Heritage and the lettering is much more "jumbled" on an original that what is shown on the ebay specimen. However, the pictures are not that good.

That being said, it's not an easy coin to locate, so the seller may have had trouble even identifying it and maybe they didn't even care. Had I seen this I would have found 5 friends willing to take a gamble and dropped a little over $100 each on this coin just to see if it's real. Why you ask? The last one that sold that I can find in the $10 denomination on Heritage was in 2002. PCGS XF40 for $126,000!!!!
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WHAT I HAVE HERE IS AN UNKNOWN COIN TO ME I BOUGHT A STORAGE UNIT AN IT WAS IN A BOOK I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT I WAS JUST ADVISED TO PUT IT ON EBAY . AS I DO WITH MUCH OF MY STORAGE STUFF ON THE FRONT OF THE COIN IT HAS A MUSKRAT ON A LOG HAS THESE LETTERS K.M.I.R.C.S ON THE BOTTOM SAYS O.T 1849 THE BACK OF THE COIN SAYS OREGON EXCHANGE COMPANY 10.D. 20.G. NATIVE GOLD TEN.D ... HAPPY BIDDING

I'm still a bit skeptical of this sale and what he says in the listing. The majority of people that buy storage lockers do it as a business. Anything they find that they are unaware of, they usually go to an expert to find out what it is worth. I would think this guy would want to get the maximum he could for it, so to do that he would take it to a coin expert to find out the true value. Maybe he found out it was phony and it was suggested that he play dumb and toss it up on ebay and let others figure out if it was real or not.

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Brass or bronze. Look at the main photo when have you seen gold get that kind of patina? A little brasso and voila! It's GOLD! I don't think so. IMHO
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Yup, I read the listing, and it's definitely suspect. Let me be clear, I would absolutely ask for more photos and try to catch the seller in a lie prior to buying something like this. It is certainly phishy and it's not like I have money lying around to throw away. However, if everything panned out and it seemed legitimate from my "spidey sense", it may have been worth the leap of faith.
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 Posted 07/15/2012  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heh. Slim, and none, and Slim left town.
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If we were pooling our money to buy into this piece, put me down for 50c.
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No. Gold doesn't tarnish...
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Check his feedback dated March 11, 2012.
He has sold this coin before. Probably got it back when it was found to be fake.
Either that, or he has a supply of them and is putting them out slowly.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...backAsSeller
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Quote:
Check his feedback dated March 11, 2012.
He has sold this coin before. Probably got it back when it was found to be fake.
Either that, or he has a supply of them and is putting them out slowly.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...backAsSeller


Looks like he doubled the amount he made this time. Sooner or later it will stick and someone will keep it.
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Just out of curiousity, I asked the March buyer if his coin was real, or
if he sent it back and the new sale is of the same coin. If he is selling
the same coin, then he knows much more than he claims.
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IMHO it's gotta be a fake. A quick Google search brings up lots of information - it says the coin is basically priceless - I can't believe the seller couldn't have determined this himself.

http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq...ain_ct_id=88

http://americanhistory.si.edu/coins...incode=4_05A
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I just never believe those typical statements such as:
I know nothing about coins or
I don't know what this coin is but or
Unsearched, found in basement, etc.
I've always wondered if there is a book out there somewhere with typical phony statements to be used on ebay.

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No. Gold doesn't tarnish...

Yes it does. Also, it does react with numerous other substances.
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BUT pure gold does NOT tarnish nor oxidize. That being said, the metals it is alloyed with, whether it be copper, silver, tin or nickel, WILL tarnish and/or oxidize. So, if it is not pure gold you can see these effects. But it is only caused by the other "impure" metals that are present.
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