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 Posted 07/17/2012  4:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is CAC still in business? Started in 2008 by John Albanese I am curious if it is.
Sorry if this is a rookie question.
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 Posted 07/17/2012  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it is. The green bean is another way to separate a collector/dealer from their money.
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IMHO if CAC cared about the coin and not the top two services (PCGS & NGC), they would accept ALL 3rd Party Graded Coins, reguardless of who graded it, and offer a option of placing a CAC-grade Sticker on the non-pcgs/ngc holders, with different colored stickers for different grades... I believe this would result in a level playing field on all holdered coins...

Example: a PCI Coin in EF45 could receive a CAC VF-30 Sticker if they believed that coin would be a solid grade if in a PCGS or NGC holder, and valued at the new VF-30 grade...
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 Posted 07/17/2012  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just prefer the opinions of the forum members.
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"Yes it is. The green bean is another way to separate a collector/dealer from their money."

BINGO! My first impression of CAC when it first came out was " huh have I been paying for all this time buying TPG slabs? Now you tell me that they have to have a green beanie to REALLY be good. The lever hasn't been made that will pry an extra nickel from me for one of the green beanies. Sorry for the rant. nlp
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 Posted 07/17/2012  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The lever hasn't been made that will pry an extra nickel from me for one of the green beanies.


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 Posted 07/19/2012  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't forget the "DIS" sticker when the DIgital Services becomes the next big thing.

You will have to have it cleaned...er conserved by NCI...then graded by NGC/PCGS...re-graded by CAC..then have the topography of your coin digitally recorded so that you can be DIS'd.

..to be fair NCI is a great company with a valuable service. And there are some coins that really need to be certified and authenticated. But out of my 10,000 plus coins I have FOUR that I bought graded and have had about a dozen sent in for grading. Of the four that I bought one of them is an ANACs 1925 Buffalo nickel. Details grade G4 "Heavily Corroded Acid Treated". I figured for a buck it was well worth it for the amusment factor alone!
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Thanks family members. Learn something on this site all the time.
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jmkendall - might I ask where you had your 4 coins graded? Did you join a group like PCGS, and get grading privileges from membership? I have a few that I would really like to get professional feedback on, trying to find the best way to do that. Thanks!
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Jack I had a dealer in Martinez GA that I really liked and he was an NGC affiliate. I just gave him the coin(s) and $20 back then and it was a painless transaction. When I moved back to Ohio my local dealer here just let me piggyback on his submissions to PCGS. The new owner won't do that for his customers.

The only problem I have with NGC is that I had an opportunity to buy a group of 1886 Morgans from a man who had purchased them....I think on hsn?. Anyway they were all graded the same; MS64. I put all 8 of them side by side from best to worse and there was a HUGE, and instantly observable difference in the spectrum.

I honestly believe that certain large customers submit large numbers of a certain year and tell them they need "x" number of MS64 or whatever it is they are looking for.

In fact I cracked the best and the worst ones out and re-submitted them to NGC. The worse one came back body bagged "cleaned" and the best one came back as an MS65!!

Like everyone if I wanted something for retail/resale it would be in a PCGS holder. For my own private collection where all I need is something to justify my stated value for Insurance purposes NGC or ANACS is just fine.
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Thanks jm, appreciate your response. Your goal of personal verification as opposed to maximizing profit is just what I'm looking for. I think I will go with ANACS for now...


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 Posted 07/21/2012  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's Certified Acceptance Corporation.

I have worked directly with them and I find them courteous, knowledgeable, and professional. As for whether you need their product- well that completely depends on the level of sophistication you require from the hobby.

Yes, I'd like to see them expand to ICG and ANACS- more so ANACS- but it is their call. Mr. Albanese worked for both PCGS and NGC so I think he's in a better position to know their cultures than to vouch for the products of other companies. Also ICG and ANACS have a ways to go to become as market accepted as NGC and PCGS.

I personally got involved in a project to get CAC to review Eisenhower dollars, a series that they did not accept at the time (they do now). In talking directly with John, I immediately recognized that this is someone who not only knew coins- but spoke of them as one speaks very fluently a highly technical foreign language.

The service they provide is highly technical, highly subjective, and hugely important. I will be writing a feature column on just why this is for publication at CoinWeek two weeks from now.

Some of the posters here are not necessarily wrong- from their own point of view- if you are the type of collector that doesn't need to know whether a coin that was graded seven years ago by PCGS is truly the grade it purports on the holder when the spread between that coin's grade and the grade below is several hundreds or thousands of dollars- then you probably don't need CAC's service.

If you are the type of collector who can look at a series and know the coin is PQ- then you probably don't need the service. But if you ever want to buy coins sight-unseen, or heck, sell them to collectors less knowledgeable than you- the green or gold sticker will bring you more money. Isn't that worth $10 a coin?
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you are the type of collector who can look at a series and know the coin is PQ

Great response, not sure what 'PQ' is?
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 Posted 07/22/2012  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PQ = CAC Gold Bean, CAC Green Bean= Graded Correctly
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