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 Posted 07/24/2012  04:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I've already messed up. Advice on removing hard encrusted green stuff said submerge in Orange or Lemon juice for a couple of days, but when I checked on the coin just 8 hours later, this is how it was:

Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Its even dulled the lettering. Well, thats the last time Ill be trying that.
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 Posted 07/24/2012  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Well, I've already messed up


Happens to us all at some point, don't be too hard on yourself.
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 Posted 07/24/2012  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, first ID is nearly done, I'm not sure of the emporer yet (looks to be Jovian) but heres what I've got:

AE3, reverse is Emporer, holding Labarum and dragging a rather plump captive, inscriped GLORIA ROMANORVM.
Obverse is a very clear bust, looks like constantine but the reverse seems to indicate Jovian, inscription surviving reads SPFAVG (S PF AVG) all to the right of the bust, which faces right.

Mint is Cyzicus, in modern day Turkey.

Pics:
BEFORE CLEANING (Yesterday):
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Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
AFTER CLEANING (Today):
Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Any experts want to chime in the Emperor and ill be able to label and start on the next one!

EDIT: Is it just me, or is the emporer on the reverse missing his head?
Edited by Ben
07/24/2012 6:23 pm
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 Posted 07/24/2012  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that looks good ben! I can't quite make out the mint mark, but if it's SMK(something?) it has to be valens with the SPFAVG on the obverse.
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 Posted 07/24/2012  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its SMKB Chrsmat, Cyzoedbsbr or whatever the heck is was. Thanks for the emperor ID, Ill label it up (first Valens in the collection!). The next coin has cleaned up lovely, can just about make out the expression on one of the roman soldiers! Thats now soaking overnight while I prep the next one for picking tomorrow using a more delicate method...

Im now starting on the 3/4 facing one *gulp*

EDIT: No such coin of Valens listed, near exact coins listed but none from this mint. I have no idea how to procede with this, any advice from seasoned IDers?
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07/24/2012 7:38 pm
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 Posted 07/24/2012  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take a look at Heveltic's. You're more likely to find it here:

http://www.catbikes.ch/coinstuff/coins-ric.htm
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 Posted 07/24/2012  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just looked at Helvetica's pages. It should be: RIC IX Cyzicus 8b or 12b.
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 Posted 07/24/2012  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks JWharper - IDed this one as RIC IX Cyzicus 8b - No pictures available for one, so I cant visually check.

EDIT: darnit JWharper, beat me to it!

While there I have the opportunity, this coin of the emperor leading something is confusing me - what the ruddy heck is that? It looks a lot like a deer, and very little like a captive.
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07/24/2012 8:06 pm
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 Posted 07/24/2012  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a picture of RIC IX Cyzicus 8b: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=221917
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 Posted 07/24/2012  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For encrustations you might look at this thread:https://goccf.com/t/123611&whichpage=1

Also, I see a steel needle in your pics that I am guessing you use to clean the coins. I will suggest a couple of other tools:
1. Copper wire that has been sharpened. Try your local hardware store for the wire. Copper is softer than steel and more forgiving.
2. A diamond dusted dental pick. I recommend 600 grit. Best cleaning tool that I have ever tried! Here is a source:
http://www.nobleromancoins.com/prod...oducts_id=23
Note: This supplier also offers a DVD on cleaning coins. I do not like or agree with all of his methods. Re-tooling an ancient is just plain wrong in my opinion. Also, I do not agree with electrolysis except in extreme conditions.
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 Posted 07/25/2012  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the thread link TJS, ill keep that in mind for future.

Update on the coin I wrecked: I've put it back in, to strip off all of the side which I felt was too far gone, but I have covered up the other side. Also, turns out, there is very little patina under the green, I tried patiently picking at it to no avail, as soon as I saw patina, it would be chipped off whilst working on the next splodge.

Still no indications as to who is on the coin. theres an HN on it though, so ill start investigating people with such odd pairings in their name.


UPDATE: While thats cleaning, I've been having a go at another coin which is in excellent condition. Two Soldiers, standard centre, the reverse shows Joannes, minted in Antioch. I still need to find the RIC ID and photograph it, so ill do that later.

FURTHER UPDATE: Cleaned up the 3/4 facign one to the point where I could Identify it. Honorius, reverse design is Concordia enthroned with sceptre holding a globe with victory standing atop it. I'm going to do RIC numbers for all identified later.
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07/25/2012 10:20 am
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 Posted 07/25/2012  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jason13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guess that the seller chimaira-antiques-coins you bought those from sold out of the uncleaned roman coins. I'll have to put them in my favourites and see if they get anymore up for sale.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic news - I have finished cleaning on 7 coins! They will be soaked in Olive oil for 2 weeks to remove residual crud.

Anyway, time to try and ID all of those.

COIN 1:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known Info: Two Soldiers, standard centre. Mint mark: (s)MA(Unknown letter)
Surviving inscript on obverse reads: (Unknown, maybe R)T(*) AVG

COIN 2:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Detail of the Left Soldiers face:

Known Info: Two Roman soldiers, standard. Inscription on reverse reads: GLO*I VS
Obverse reads: [AH]V AVG (Not totally certain on this, the first two letters in square brackets could be different).
Mint mark SHANT - Antioch.

COIN 3:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known Info: Inscription Reads GLORIA ROMANORVM on reverse, obverse reads: SPF AVG. Emperor dragging a rather fat captive by the hair.
Minted in Cyzicus

COIN 4:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Honorius, Concordia seated with Victory on globe.Minted Cyzicus. Reads CONCORDIA AVGG and DNH HONORORIVS AVG. This is my favourite so far as its neat, 3/4 facing and shows that the romans knew the world was a sphere.

COIN 5:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Legend unreadable, cross with person and captive.

COIN 6:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Not Roman, most likely Celteberian. Mint mark is childish in nature and reads SH, with bad kerning.

COIN 7:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: I fear this to be a junk, cant make sense at all of the back and the face is worse. No legend survives.

BONUS COIN (8#):
This is the double bust coin I wrecked, but as more patina comes off, more detail shows through! Lettering that had so hint of being there when I got to the patina came up and the faces have gained eyes and hair.
BUST A: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
BUST B: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Zilch. letters that are readable are: Bust A, to the right of bust, O(funnylookingE)ON.
Bust B: MHN, the the right of bust, O(funnylookingE)
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07/26/2012 12:34 pm
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 Posted 07/26/2012  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Come on people, I need help with this! (Particularly the bonus coin, coin 7 and the reverse of coin 5).

That double bust is so...accessible, but I can find no references for it! maybe its in greek? The legends dont match to anything on the partial legends search on Wildwinds...
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 Posted 07/26/2012  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your bonus coin is very interesting. Bust number one looks like it could be Augustus and bust 2 looks female, perhaps Livia. If so very rare; however, I can't locate a coin that looks like this. I will keep looking.
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