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Falling In Love With Angels...

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Well, Victorys actually, since the title wouldn't sound as as good. I pretty much used to not care about this reverse in the past since I had a couple already and it was a common type but after purchasing my Valens with Victory reverse a couple weeks back I have recognized the beauty of this reverse type, so when I found this one I had to have it.

Valentinian I AE3

Obv: DN VALENTINIANVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right

Rev: SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left and holding wreath and palm branch, A over R-like symbol in left field, F in right field, Gamma SISCS dot? in ex (checked Helveticas and there is GSISCS and GSISC dot. I think I see a dot at the end on mine, but I need to have it in hand to hopefully know for sure)

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Nice quality coin Jango (I know I should be calling you Valiant by now but just cant get used to it!)

Lots of detail to enjoy on it - really like the tweaked 'R' symbol.
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You can still call me Jango, bobby

Yeah, that's an interesting symbol. First time I've seen it (or maybe I just didn't pay attention before?)
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Awesome Valentinian I! Great detail
I like the victories a lot also. Some historians think that victory was the inspiration for the depiction of angles.
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Remember the days when you were JangoFett. A proud bounty hunter! What happened? lol

I have a few of those victory advancing left, mostly common for Valens and Valentinian I. I liked those from the very start despite how common they are.

Nice coin!
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Remember the days when you were JangoFett. A proud bounty hunter! What happened? lol
Samuel L. Windu happened lol...


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Some historians think that victory was the inspiration for the depiction of angles
Never knew that. I thought it was coincidental that they looked similar but didn't really think Victory possibly inspired the concept of angels. I wondered too, why the Christian Roman Empire would keep a holdover like Victory from the pagan era. Now I think I know why. Very interesting
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Excellent details, very nice coin.
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Excellent LRB!
Actually, the Angels in the Bible are male, this one most probably is, too.
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I love the Victories and Valiant yours is no exception.
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Here's a little Victory history and Numis-history:)

Constantine,
Unconquerered Emperor, Christian Victor, By Paul Stephenson

Page 74
As emperors fell ever more rapidly to the swords of their own men, symbols of divinity inspired victory, always ubiquitous in imperial art, acquired new meanings. The goddess Victoria, who would later mutate into the angel of Byzantine art, appears everywhere bearing a laurel wreath, the shield of valour (clypeus virtutis), or most notably the trophy. The trophy (tropaaeum) was, in origin, a pole or tree trunk with a beam upon which were hung the arms and armour, notably breast plate, helmet, and shields, of a vanquished foe...

Representations of trophies were commonplace on Roman coinage from the last century of the republic until the 3rd century AD. They were most often shown placed between bound captives or borne by the goddess Victoria. In each case the trophy shown commemorated a specific victory. However, quite suddenly the trophy disappeared from imperial coins during the reign of Macrinus (217-18) and did not reappear until that of Gallienus (253-68). Now it is shown carried by the emperor, no longer representing a specific victory but rather appearing as a visual equivalent of the title invictus...
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Great Excerpt TJ. I might consider purchasing that book.
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Oops, just realized that part of my previous attribution for my coin was wrong (received it already btw) with regards to the left field letters and the mintmark.

Left field: R over R-like symbol ("symbol 3" in Heleveticas)

Ex: Gamma SISC (then reverse Z symbol - "symbol 1") dot

RIC IX 15a
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