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In the most recent SmackDown #5 and a recent topic by ValiantKnight Victory has presented itself. How far back in the coinage of the ancient world does the Victory go? This made me dig out and examine one of my favorite coins. Struck on a huge flan and in high relief. I too have always loved the angels / winged nymphs and the like.

Pamphylia, Side, c. BC 200
AR30 Tetradrachm , 15.88g
obverse: Helmeted Head of Athena
Reverse: Victory Advancing hold wreath, Pomegranate in reverse left field.
Monogram: Wreath / AR





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My oldest coin with a winged personage on the reverse is a Claudius Denarius with Nemesis reverse:

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Nemesis has been described as the daughter of Oceanus or Zeus, but according to Hesiod she was a child of Erebus and Nyx. She has also been described as the daughter of Nyx alone. Her cult may have originated at Smyrna.
In some metaphysical mythology, Nemesis produced the egg from which hatched two sets of twins: Helen of Troy and Clytemnestra, and the Dioscuri, Castor and Pollux. While many myths indicate Zeus and Leda to be the parents of Helen of Troy, the author of the compilation of myth called Bibliotheke notes the possibility of Nemesis being the mother of Helen; Nemesis, to avoid Zeus, turns into a goose, but he turns into a swan and mates with her. Nemesis in her bird form lays an egg that is discovered in the marshes by a shepherd, who passes the egg to Leda. It is in this way that Leda comes to be the mother of Helen of Troy, as she kept the egg in a chest until it hatched.

The word Nemesis originally meant the distributor of fortune, neither good nor bad, simply in due proportion to each according to what was deserved; then, nemesis came to suggest the resentment caused by any disturbance of this right proportion, the sense of justice which could not allow it to pass unpunished. O. Gruppe (1906) and others connect the name with "to feel just resentment". From the 4th century onwards, Nemesis, as the just balancer of Fortune's chance, could be associated with Tyche.
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Oh, and BTW, beautiful coin.
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Wow thats a great quote. Its so amazing to find out that the gods of past have such impacted our understanding common seemingly unrelated words used in the modern era. Its amazing these coins have comedown to us, carrying with them there imprint on the world.

Thanks all please continue to comment I am eager to here about and see more of your guys Victories.
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After seeing Victoria featuring on coins of Valentinian I & Valens, it was refreshing to come across her on the reverse of a Gallienus Antoninianus...

Weight: 2.70 grams, Maximum dimensions: 21 x 18 x 1.1 mm and Die axis: 10 degrees

Mint: Rome, Reference: RIC 300
From a metal detecting find near Harlow, Essex, in 2003.
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That is a great coin! Very nice!

Here are two my oldest Victories: Augustus, Philippi, Victory / Military Standards (not in the best of shape, but I like them anyway:)

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I have four more first century coins with Victory reverses. The first two are Nero facing both left and right with Victory advancing left , the second and third are Galba and Otho Denarii with Victory standing left on globe.

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@ ALL nice Vicotries.

@JW I especially love # 3 & 4

Nate

BTW is the use or the meaning of Victory different depending on the direction advancing?..I notice all advancing left are Victory and the one advancing right being Nemesis
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Probus
AE Antoninianus

Obverse: IMP PROB - VS P F AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust facing to the right.
reverse: VICTO - RIA AVG, Victoria advancing to the left, holding out a wreath with her right hand and with her left hand holding a trophy over her left shoulder.
R ➛ S in exergue.

Weight: 2.81 grams, Maximum dimensions: 24 x 21.5 x 1 mm and Die axis: 0 degrees

Mint: Rome, struck in 281 AD
Reference: RIC VII 213


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I don't think left or right has anything to do with it. I also have an Aurelian with Victory facing rising up between two shields, and a Maximinus with Victory advancing right

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@ JW WOW Both are really neat. The first one looks fabulous I love the front view of the Angel ascending. That is just plain gnarly! Cudos.
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JW, that Aurelian rocks the house!
BTW cool quote above!
Do you have a reference?
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The OP's coin is a type that I want to get sometime.
One question I'd like to raise is--why is the profile of Athena fading into the fields?
Not to cast doubt, but when I see something like this, I wonder if it was struck that way?
Is it due to corrosion, heavy wear, cleaning, or something else?
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@DV no worries all comments are welcome. To answer your question to the best of my ability.. I believe it was struck like that. The face and what not is warn back like a half millimeter. The photo does not do it justice. The coin at some point was cleaned and rather harshly. Although the relief on this issue is so high it doesn't really deter from the obverse at all INHO. There is also corrosion encroaching on face coming from the right obverse field. Wight is correct and within range and there is no evidence of a seam or casting pearls or any of the other mitigating factors. :-)

Thanks for the query,
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