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First Time Sending Coins To NGC For Grading... Questions.

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 Posted 07/28/2012  7:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add poor_red_neck to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

Some of the coins I have that have the potential to be valued at more than $50-100, I want to send to NGC (or PCGS) for grading.

I'm leaning a little towards NGC, but honestly I have no idea which is "preferred" or better.

One is an 1876-S Trade dollar that looks in really good condition, but with chop marks.

The other two are 1904 and 1905 Panama 50 Centimos that appear AU, unless they come back as harshly cleaned or something of that nature.

They're not super valuable, but I feel I might be able to get a little more investing in a grading.


So my questions are:

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  • Is one company better for grading foreign coins (most of my collection is foreign coins)

  • Do they do any sort of basic cleaning before grading/encapsulating. If they do, is it an extra charge or is it included? They're not very dirty, just some black spots that almost come off with just a wet paper towel, I'm just terrified to do it myself.

  • Which service do I pick? There's so many, and I'm very confused by their grading options.


  • Thank you in advance for any help.

    -Jonathan

    Edited by poor_red_neck
    07/28/2012 7:22 pm
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     Posted 07/28/2012  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    Both are good. Some prefer pcgs, others ngc. I dont care as I like both.
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     Posted 07/28/2012  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    For foreign coins choose ngc as they are the leader in foreign coins
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     Posted 07/28/2012  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    I would post picks of the coins before I sent them in. There was a member on another site who was sure there was some sort of conspiracy against him because he sent in ten Indian Head cents in for grading and all ten came back as problem coins.
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     Posted 07/28/2012  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poor_red_neck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    Thank you very much for your opinion thus far. I've posted threads asking for opinions on grading, but for the most part they are ignored, so I gave up on asking.


    Keep in mind these are probably the worst pics as far as light condition goes. I'm sure it doesn't matter to a grader, but the "hair line" scratches are not noticeable to the naked eye. The flash makes everything look 10X worse than it really is. I'll get some pictures out in the sunlight tomorrow if it will make any difference.

    1876-S Trade dollar with chop marks:

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    Panama 1904& 1905 50 Centimos

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    First-Time-Sending-Coins-To-NGC--For-Grading...-Questions.


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     Posted 07/28/2012  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    if you have many canadian coins their seems to be a preference for pcgs
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     Posted 07/28/2012  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poor_red_neck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    Just a bunch of circulated silver quarters for the Canadian coins. Nothing special
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     Posted 07/29/2012  01:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    PCGS coins do carry a bit more of a premium then ngc, but they can be real harsh on certain coins. I do believe ngc still does more world coins than pcgs does but both are good.

    Neither do any sort of cleaning as far as I know as part of the standard grading, I've used PCGS and can say for sure they dont. Personally I like the look of the PCGS holders better, but which ever one you pick I would just send all the coins in at once to the same one to save shipping costs.

    As far as service other than the PCGS + service and I think the NGC star service its all the same really. The only difference in the price is how long youre expected turn around time is for the coins that qualify for each service. If you dont mind the wait just pick the cheapest possible, if your impatient might want to pick one in the middle. I wouldnt recommend express or anything like that for coins values 100 since youll pay as much for grading if not more than the coins worth
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     Posted 07/29/2012  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    Your 1876-S seems to have been counter stamped as well
    as harshly cleaned at one time. Sorry. Might not be worth
    the trouble/cost sending it in. If so it may come back as damaged and maybe a details grade. You can check out the TPG's sites for more info on this.
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     Posted 07/29/2012  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    Basically at coin shows or in many coin stores you'll hear "Of course it cost more, it's in a PCGS slab"
    Not sure why but that is what so many believe. And remember that if you suspect your coins are worth less than $50, the cost of having them graded and slabbed may not be worth that cost. And for a coin you think is MS-60 and you send it in and it comes back EF or AU, you could be a little dissapointed and for sure have a coin worth much less than the cost of having it graded.
    It is amazing how many coins I've seen worth a few dollars in a slab.
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     Posted 07/29/2012  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Captain Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    From what I saw the pictures you posted, well they look to me to have been cleaned and you may be wasting your time and money to send these into a 3rd. party grader.
    I also am going to send in a few coins to NGC, like a pair of 1928 Peace dollar and have
    maybe 25 Morgans that IMHO are all MS. I like NGC's holder better than the others out there.
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    I just recently sent some of my coins out to ICG in Tampa FL. What I did was go to a local show that had a representative there, and showed him what I had. After some examination he thought that they were of high enough condition to be graded. I am not sure that I would have sent them out otherwise. At the show I also got a discount which helped.
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    Sorry to say, but your coins all appear to have been cleaned and will not slab IMO.
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     Posted 07/30/2012  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poor_red_neck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
    Well dang that sucks.... inherited these from my Fiance's father... been sitting in a storage trailer for 30 something years. Guess he cleaned them a while back. I sure as heck haven't done anything other than a gentle wipe with a shammy. No chemicals abbrasives or anything.

    What is it that makes them look cleaned? The little hair line scratches? They are circulated coins... so at what point is it "normal circulated damage" and "clear evidence of cleaning"

    Thank you all for your help thus far.
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    You can see hairline scratches all over them. Also, coins of this age would show some level of toning or dirt, these do not.
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    Quote:
    a gentle wipe with a shammy.


    Even this should be avoided. Any contact with the coin can leave microscopic scratches that although wont be visible to the naked eye, can be seen under magnification.
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