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 Posted 07/31/2012  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Hmm, I see what you mean. It looks like a nice coin, but no mirrors


I think that was the point, right? You were having issues with not showing chrome-like glare with anything other than axial lighting and asked what the smile directors did on a brilliant proof.

Sometime I'll set up the ringlight as SD suggests to see the result.
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Yeah, that's what I was looking for. I think I've been staring at the pictures too long and lost sight of what I actually want them to look like!

I think I'll take another shot at the smile directors too. With my first go-around, I wasn't actually able to get them into a position where they actually worked as intended. I'll take a look at your other threads more carefully to see how they are set up. I did get a mirror to put in the base of my stand so I can get things lined up better now.

So far I'm happiest with the third set, at least for the obverse. The reverse looks over-baked somehow. It shows the luster and the details like all the die polishing marks, but also shows a lot of the color and doesn't suffer from from the "black hole" effect.

Pretty soon I'm going to be doing HDR stacks...
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I like the obverse in this combination much better than the reverse. I can't seem to get both sides to agree on lighting at all!


That's fairly normal. Obverse and Reverse typically have different depths in their fields and heights of their devices, at least for classic coins. Most of my pictures are of Lincoln Cents, which are very difficult to capture on obverse, but whatever I do on the obverse tends to work on the reverse. I've often attributed that to the "face effect", ie we're far more sensitive to the way faces look than most anything else. It takes precise lighting positions and subtle variation in height and angle to get the shadows just right on Lincoln's face, but pretty much anything goes on the wheat stalks and lettering. This is another of my complaints about axial lighting, ie true axial lighting is a one-size-fits-all situation. Mixing in some other lighting elements should help this.
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 Posted 08/01/2012  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LEGO! Lego, of course Lego. The answer, it was right in front of me the whole time! Well, more like the back of my closet, but still.
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Here's my first real result with smile-based technology.
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I keep going back and forth whether I like the overall look of this or the axial-spot hybrid approach better. This is definitely more reproducible and less effort in post, and doesn't introduce the extra noise and blur from the axial setup.
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Very nice. I like it better than the axial approach, but I may be biased...
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 Posted 08/03/2012  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I definitely like it better than the pure axial approach, although I'll probably sometimes use axial lighting as a "extra" picture for some coins like this. Here's my take on the smile director concept:

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Smile Director on Lego Stand by CaptainFwiffo, on Flickr

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Smile Director in Use by CaptainFwiffo, on Flickr

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Smile Director (closeup) by CaptainFwiffo, on Flickr

I don't have to tape anything to the dang lights and it's much easier to line up. I can also adjust the distance of each light if I want to tune the brightness. It's easy to adjust the height of the stand in a number of set positions if I want to play with the height of the lighting. I've made a couple of different disks with different width rings, so I can experiment with that too.

For the obverse of this coin, only having lights at 10:30 and 1:30 wasn't working out because too much of the top rim was in shadow, and there is color and texture I want to make visible there. So I had another smile fired up at 4:30 but backed off a bit. That way I can highlight that area but it's not as bright so the shadows and luster don't get washed out.
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Looks good to me! Same basic principle as my smiles. Your near 90-deg sweep will limit the amount of luster you are able to present. You might try covering up half of each smile, 90-deg apart, and see if that can help pick up more luster. I found that 45-deg is about right to give a good compromise between color, texture and luster.
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I was going to ask how much of a sweep your smile directors use. I have some little pieces of black card stock I use to mask parts of it where necessary. I left them wide open for this coin, but it's an exception.

What's the approximate inner/outer radius of your smiles? I used a roll of Ikes as a template for making the tube in the center (about 40mm diameter), and then the outer diameter is about 10mm bigger. I have another disc with the same inner diameter but with a 5mm ring. The wider ring lets light climb further up the rims on the concave obverse, but I might try the narrower one on the flatter reverse.

I'll have to make different ones for much larger coins; even nickels might be a close call.
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I use a 39mm lens cap that has outer diameter about 41mm to draw the smiles, so we're at the same inner diameter. But my outer diameter is the same, ie I just move the cut piece outward and create a gap of about 3mm. Smaller sweep and narrower width will give more luster presentation as the source looks "smaller" but evenness of illumination suffers as you've mentioned. For larger coins, you can just move the smiles farther from the coin, no need for them to be bigger. Long as you keep the distances all proportional it works out fine.
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