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Silver Cert, Ink Transfer?

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 Posted 08/04/2012  6:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Switch to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey everybody. I have a silver certificate here that seems to have had ink transferred from each side to the other in reverse (like if the the bill was folded in half while wet). However, its not all the ink (as far as I can tell), there doesn't seem to be any sort of damage aside from circulation, and the back looks totally normal. Any ideas? I have attached a pic.



Silver-Cert,-Ink-Transfer?
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 Posted 08/04/2012  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It just means it was folded and got some type of solvent on it.
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 Posted 08/04/2012  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Switch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why wouldn't it cause issues on the back or anywhere else on the note?
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 Posted 08/05/2012  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had one just like that except in was a FRN. I tried to find the post but haven't located it yet. The only difference was on mine there was a small piece where you could see the two halves had stuck together and then were seperated, other than that it just looked like an ink transfer. You know notes have cloth in them right? So wet substances don't affect them the same as pure paper.
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 Posted 08/05/2012  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Switch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I had wondered the difference the rag content would make, but this bill is practically immaculate aside from the ink and only some of it. I don't doubt that this is probably the cause, just amazed that it probably is.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James4444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This paragraph was quoted from Official BlackBook Price Guide to US Paper Money 2011:


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Third Print Offset on Reverse

Thsu note is normal on the obverse but carries an "offset" of the third print or overprints on its reverse. It would appear that the overprints are showing through to the reverse, as if the note were printed on very thin paper.

Actually, this "mirror image" is caused by malfunction in the printing or paper-feeding machinery.

The inked plate for printing the overprints contacted the machine bed without a sheet of paper being in place. Therefore, as the next sheet came through it received the normal overprint on its face and picked up the "offset" impression on its reverse from the machine bed.

Each successive sheet going through the press also received an "offset", but it naturally became fainter and fainter as the ink was absorbed. The value of a note of this kind depends on the intensity of the impression.


Hope it helps


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 Posted 08/20/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
James4444 you do understand that paragraph has nothing to do with what is going on with that note yes? This note has a self transfer, not a transfer from another note.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could also have been kept folded in a wallet for a very long time. That will have the same effect.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James4444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, my bad! Sorry guys


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 Posted 08/20/2012  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Switch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem. :) Thanks to everybody for the answers!
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 Posted 08/21/2012  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kookoox10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not an offset, but has been hanging out with other notes in the same strap. Usually the case, and you will be able to tell the difference once you see a real offset ink error.
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 Posted 08/21/2012  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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but has been hanging out with other notes in the same strap.


Huh? I know this would be a lot to ask you have been very busy spamming every topic in this forum, but did you read any of the posts in this thread?
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 Posted 08/21/2012  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James4444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Nickelman,

No offense & with all due respect, but I was just wondering & was hoping you could clarify things to me, are you a mistake detector or just love/like to make anyone who makes a mistake appears like a fool in front of the others?!!


Mistakes happen .... sometimes we skip reading some parts or overlook them.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken (I believe it's your utmost pleasure to do so), this is not a university. Consequently, this shouldn't be an exam, am I right?

This is just a friendly forum & doesn't run business like customer service organization thing, wherein customers might leave the company to other competitors if we have answered them incorrectly, am I right once again?

If you feel much pride of your intelligence that doesn't give you the right to make fool of the others, am I right?

Unless you think of yourself as a "master" of this field, that's something different, cuz, in such a case, it would be VERY interesting to have a little nice & friendly conversation to share each others' knowledge (despite the fact that I'm a foreigner collecting relatively Worldwide Banknotes & one of these countries is yours)


You could simply correct us in a more friendly way (if you call the way you reply even friendly). Otherwise, you may just read our replies & laugh (it would be my pleasure entertaining you)



Again, NO offense

I know this reply will be deleted by one of our moderators very soon, however, just wanted to speak my thoughts out loud (please accept my sincere apology in advance if such a reply was violating the forum rules)


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 Posted 08/21/2012  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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@Nickelman,

No offense & with all due respect, but I was just wondering & was hoping you could clarify things to me, are you a mistake detector or just love/like to make anyone who makes a mistake appears like a fool in front of the others?!!


Mistakes happen .... sometimes we skip reading some parts or overlook them.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken (I believe it's your utmost pleasure to do so), this is not a university. Consequently, this shouldn't be an exam, am I right?

This is just a friendly forum & doesn't run business like customer service organization thing, wherein customers might leave the company to other competitors if we have answered them incorrectly, am I right once again?

If you feel much pride of your intelligence that doesn't give you the right to make fool of the others, am I right?

Unless you think of yourself as a "master" of this field, that's something different, cuz, in such a case, it would be VERY interesting to have a little nice & friendly conversation to share each others' knowledge (despite the fact that I'm a foreigner collecting relatively Worldwide Banknotes & one of these countries is yours)


You could simply correct us in a more friendly way (if you call the way you reply even friendly). Otherwise, you may just read our replies & laugh (it would be my pleasure entertaining you)


Again, NO offense

I know this reply will be deleted by one of our moderators very soon, however, just wanted to speak my thoughts out loud (please accept my sincere apology in advance if such a reply was violating the forum rules)


No offense taken.

No I am not a moderator I just care about this forum. I do try to educate people and sometimes I don't always say what people want to hear. I thought my response to you was very nice I was merely pointing out that as had been discussed the note was a self transfer. If you feel like I was being rude I am sorry I certainly did not mean it to be taken that way.

Now if you are talking about the post further down from the one to you that is a whole different matter. If kookoox10 10 would like to know why I have a problem with someone purposely spamming a dozen topics in a few minutes with nothing relevant to say in any of them all that person has to do is ask and I would gladly discuss it.
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 Posted 08/22/2012  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kookoox10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not posting for my own personal gain, there's no incentive other than to provide some sort of advice/expertise in certain subjects. And to give a pat on the back or kudos to a new acquisition. And for your information, I'm probably on these boards once a week anyways. I'm sorry but I'm not sorry, I'm simply an outspoken person when it comes to currency because it's the only portion of numismatics I really enjoy. But I guess in your world that's a bad thing...therefore it's accusations like you posted in a public forum about a person you don't even know that no wonder this nation is going in the toilet.

Thanks for making me feel welcome...
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 Posted 08/22/2012  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm always interested in what someone has to say otherwise I wouldn't be reading this forum. Can you imagine if every member here posted up a dozen topics like that how impossible it would be to keep up with any discussion. That's the only point I am trying to make.

Your input is important and I do want to read it when it is relevant.
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