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France 1811A 40 Francs - Mintmark Over Privy Mark

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France-1811A-40-Francs---Mintmark-Over-Privy-Mark


France-1811A-40-Francs---Mintmark-Over-Privy-Mark

I bought this interesting coin from the major French auction house years ago. I wonder why Krause does not list it as a recognized variety. I've seen some these in a number of auctions over the years.

The mintmark on the right was punched over the rooster privy mark that is supposed to be on the left side.
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 Posted 08/11/2012  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a very interesting overstrike--very obviously A/Rooster!
Out of curiosity, I looked through about 20 examples on Heritage, but didn't spot this variety.
Does that make it scarce--and worth a premium over the normal coin? Wish I could help.
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My much-circulated 1811A 40F A sur coq is one of my favourite coins.
It was the year that the Emperor's son was born, and the Empire itself reached its greatest extent: it was all downhill after that.

Victor GADOURY in "Monnaies Francaises" (seizieme edition, 2003) refers to "A regrave sur le coq", but does not give any estimate of the population. Regarding catalogue value, he puts the variety about 20% above the "ordinary" 1811A.

Generally, they are referred to as "A sur coq", or "A regrave".
A few years ago, I searched every 1811A on ebay - only three out of 90 were the "variety".
All the ones I have seen are well-circulated. Maybe a high-grade example might attract a serious premium ?

I must say that I sometime reflect on that poor mint-worker, who started early, probably on a Monday, and realized, too late, that the rooster was on the wrong side, and then attempted to rectify the error ... only to find himself still being discussed 201 years later on the Internet ...



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Thanks for the info. I checked France ebay and found one up now:
[url] http://cgi.ebay.com/40-FRANCS-OR-NA..._Monnaies_PiècesFrancs&hash=item337a056b51 [url
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This coin is indeed much rarer than the "normal" 1811A.
But on the ohter hand 1811A stand for more of 50% of the mintage of this type.
Here's a nice example from the collection idéale. http://www.collection-ideale-cgb.ne...1_007_48.jpg
I love to consult this site for nice coins.
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