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Old Silver Bar Picture And Questions

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Can anyone help me with this? does anyone have a value?

Any information at all will be helpful and also thoughts about what you would be willing to pay for it. I'm not really sure how to test it. I dont have acid(something I need to buy from e-bay).

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Itll be worth the melt value for whatever silver is priced at at the time.

Who ever buys it will probably want to drill a hole or two in it to make sure there arent cheaper metals hidden in the middle like the pawn stars episode where someone sold a ton of silver
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thats what I'm afraid of. I dont know if there are cheaper metals inside of it. IT is not that big though weighs about a pound
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why is there no percentage on it? is this normal? why is there no makers mark?
the only thing on it is 14.583 oz troy stamped on it.
There are also 4 little almost nipples (one on each corner) almost like it was to keep it from damaging other bars that it was placed on
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Unfortunately I think the only way to tell is drill it.

As far as looks it probably just all depends on who made it. Englehard (sp?) and some other companies mark their stuff making it easier to sell while others dont. Would be much easier if it was marked with purity and a company. With no other markings its anyones guess who made it
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Is it common for bars to have no Makers mark?
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I ended up buying it. I paid 250 for the bar.
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All depends on the maker. They can all make them however they want too.

Hopefully its from a reputable place, thats a substantial discount from melt which to me is a red flag
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I posted an ad on cl. The kid who had it looked to me like he was tweaking out. I'm aa nurse and; know what you look liket when youI are detoxing.We settled on 360 before meeting but once I saw him I told him I wouldn't pay more than 250.
Sorry for the poor spelling. I am typing from my phone
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Always sad to see people selling things for drug money. Hopefully it was actually his and some poor soul isn't missing a silver bar.

No worries about the spelling that happens to me all the time on my phone
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Drill into it, that sold for quite a bit less than silver value.
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There are a couple of things that you can do to test this bar without causing any damage to it. First, touch it with a magnet. If is contains even a little iron, nickel, or cobalt (which it shouldn't) the magnet will stick to the bar. If that comes up negative, measure the bar very carefully in its 3 dimensions in cm and then calculate the volume of the bar in cubic centimeters. The weight in grams divided by the volume in CCs will tell you the density. For pure silver, this is about 10.49. If the bar density is higher than this, suspect that it contains lead. If lower, it could be Sterling silver or even copper that has silver on the outside. A core sample assay is the only real proof of silver content, of course, but that is more involved and costly.
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So far I have checked it with a magnet. Nothing sticks. I'm mostly afraid of it being filled with lead. I'm pretty sure its real but since there is no purity how do I know its true value?

Is it common for the purity not to be there. The bottom looks like a lot of other old pour bars that I have seen. I am really hoping to have gotten lucky on this buy. The kid(31) year old guy while he did seem to be on drugs did not seem to be lying. We talked for almost 45home min before I bought it. He was very trusting
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There are people that just melt down silver they collected and put them into bars . You can buy number stamps and put the weight on them. I actually saw the guys that buy storage lockers do it on one of their shows.
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That is a is a silver bar and the odds someone put lead inside one that old is slim to none IMO, esp at that small size. I would be willing to bet on it being real....

That bar on Pawn stars would have made more sense to be fake, as it was huge, and odd weight from a lesser known company. Notice Rick had zero interest in drilling hole in the Engelhard bars....

Sure looks like the bottom of an old Academy pour bar, via the shape an odd stamp size....

That is your only issue, that it will only bring so much right at or a bit under spot, minus the stamp of a trusted name and company....
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well that makes me feel better about the purchase. I have never had the chance to see any other old pour bars. Now I'm really excited about the price I paid for it
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