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Tungsten As A Filler For Gold Coins

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 Posted 08/24/2012  2:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mikelley to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Tungsten used as a replacement for gold in modern gold coins.

I have recently read that some people have expressed concern that the Chinese (and possibly others) have been making modern gold coins using a tungsten core and a laminate of gold. The specific gravity of the two metals is almost identical, tungsten 19.22 and pure gold 19.32 so it would be almost impossible to tell the difference by specific gravity testing. I suppose testing by x-ray is possible but not my field. Has anyone heard of this problem and ways to detect fakes?


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I believe that tungsten is too hard of a metal to reliably strike into coin form. The bigger danger comes from gold-plated tungsten bars which can be forged and then plated, no fine die details necessary.
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Aye, Tungsten has been used quite often as a filler for faux poured bars for a long time now. XRF will not detect it as XRF bounces off of the surface of the coin, and doesn't penetrate it.

Using it to make bogus *coins*, however, would pose some challenges. As bioemist6 mentioned, it's too blasted hard to strike. Theoretically speaking, one *could* make a gold-tungsten-gold laminated "sandwich," much like modern dimes, quarters, and halves with cupronickel-copper-cupronickel.

Because of the difference in hardness, though, you'd probably have lots of problems with the lamination separating when they're struck. If you were to get it right, however, all you'd need to do is gold-plate the edges and it'd be very hard to discern from an all-gold coin.

Scary stuff.
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Very interesting!! Tungsten lodes (Mines) are very few. I believe there is a couple in Canada? A retired hard rock miner.
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...ways to detect fakes?

That would be difficult to test non-destructively.

You could drill a hole in it; tungsten would not only be harder to drill through but a different colour. You could also try to melt it down. Tungsten won't melt at gold-refining temperatures. Tungsten is much harder than gold, so the old "bite test" or it's more scientific mechanical equivalent, the macroindentation hardness test, would also work, but could be fooled if the gold layer around the tungsten core were particularly thick.

Of course, if you do any of these things, it'd be a little late at that point to ask for a refund.

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Tungsten lodes (Mines) are very few. I believe there is a couple in Canada?

Most of the tungsten mining and refining these days is happening in China, which is why they're always mentioned as the suspects in these gold switch-out theories.
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