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US Return To The Gold Standard?

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Check this out.....
http://rt.com/usa/news/gop-return-g...tandard-509/

My question is...if this were to come to bear....would we see the price of gold become fixed like it was pre-1970? Silver? This could have significant impact on gold investing if this gets some movement behind it.
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Theres been talk of this for quite some time on and off. Nothing ever really seems to come of it other than speculation, dont really see this time being any different for now.

If anything it would make gold and silver spike to insane prices with the amount of money we have out there theres about a 0 percent chance we could buy enough gold to keep the price reasonable
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That's my point.....when going back to the gold/silver standard, the government would fix the price of the metals to prevent it from going insane just for that reason. We have been there before, no reason we can't again. With the economy as desperate as it is, you might just see something like this get passed. The government has passed laws to prevent you from melting down coins for their metal value, no reason why they can't also fix gold and silver prices.
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The problem is though I'm pretty sure that would revalue our currency. If we said okay gold is now 200 american dollars and thats all well pay for it we just massively increased the buying power of the dollar. Thats good in someways, but it would put all of middle america out of work as we would officially be exporting nothing and just a 100 percent importer in the trade market as no one would pay the necessary price for our goods
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What I heard from a guy on CNBC the other day, gold would have to be about $10,000/oz for us to have enough gold to use as a currency. My guess is if they fixed the price it would have to be about that. But what do I know, lol.
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If I calculated correctly, Fort Knox is reported to contain approximately $2.4 Trillion in gold at current prices.

Cotrrection: I think it is approximately $240 billion.
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And what is the current M1 or what ever (money supply)?

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1

Looks like 2.342T, did I do that right. Of course we need room to grow the money supply.
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And what is the current M1 or what ever (money supply)?

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1

Looks like 2.342T, did I do that right. Of course we need room to grow the money supply.


I believe that for your money to be backed by gold you would have to account for all the money you have printed. Not just the US supply but for every bill and coin that is around the world as well as in savings/bank accounts/cds/stocks ect.

Not sure if the debt would apply or not unless we tried to print money to pay it back
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Yeah, there is not enough gold in the whole world to pay off that $16T debt.
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Lol could you imagine doing the math on the price per ounce with that included
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Amount of present gold holdings at Fort Knox: 147.3 million ounces
Value of gold at $1,670/oz.: $239,311,000,000
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Yeah, there is not enough gold in the whole world to pay off that $16T debt.

Of course there is enough gold to pay off the US national debt. It's just a matter of price.

Of course, setting the price of gold is a double edged sword. What you are willing to pay for gold is balanced by what you are have to accept for it. If, for example, the US did go back on the gold standard and set the price to $10,000 per oz., we would have to both buy and sell gold at that price. If we guess wrong on this, we will be in DEEP financial doo in a real hurry. It would be very difficult to go on a gold standard unless all of our major trading partners were willing to do the same. Otherwise, we end up giving them gold while they give us fiat. Not a good deal, IMHO, and we would soon be loaded with fiat and have no gold left.

It is possible for a single nation to have 2 currencies, though, such as Cuba and South Africa have had in the past and may still have. One is for internal use and one is for international use. This seems overly complicated and may not necessarily be a good plan.

I am afraid that this gold standard talk is just that... talk. Perhaps it is something that is being used to woo the Ron Paul supporters out there? I put the talk about auditing the Fed and Ft. Knox in the same class.
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I am afraid that this gold standard talk is just that... talk. Perhaps it is something that is being used to woo the Ron Paul supporters out there? I put the talk about auditing the Fed and Ft. Knox in the same class.


Theres probably more legitimacy of the audit than the gold standard talk. Personally I agree the talk is that just talk. Its probably more of a tool to emphasize how we have to just stop thinking that printing money will solve everything. A gold standard could potentially stop it but will cause its own problems.

Theres no real chance of the standard happening anytime soon unless the situation gets worse, but in the mean time it is a decent way to bring attention to the problem of just printing as much money as we want since there is nothing there to stop it.
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Of course there is enough gold to pay off the US national debt. It's just a matter of price.


Yes, I should have said at current prices and just counting all the gold mined in history
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If you read the article though....it says that we pretty much default on everything we currently owe and essentially start over. That is why gold would not have to be $10,000 and ounce. But even though we default ( bad credit ) our money would be backed by gold ( a collatoralized debt, a good thing). So in the end it sort of becomes a wash. The article explains it better than I can
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This is all hypothetical, so I'll play.

The federal reserve seems to be the real wild card (or roadblock depending on your point of view) for any restoration of a gold backed dollar. IF and when a return to a gold backed dollar happens, the Fed will absolutely will get a seat at that table and play a key role in it's creation and adoption. No surprise there.

So, given a limited amount of physical gold and a massive pile of fiat currency in circulation, in what form would a modern day return to a gold backed currency take shape?

It's hard to say, but a few things seem likely. Since the bankers and politicians aren't going to want to give up all their games, I suspect the ideal of a constitutionally mandated "fractionally gold backed dollar" will be the proposed solution where only 50% to 40% of the value of each dollar is backed by physical gold. In this scenario, the government(and the Fed) will be allowed to fabricate a large unbacked percentage of each dollar to facilitate transactions that by their nature would exist only in the digital domain, commercial and personal loans, and to provide a means for the Fed to continue to exert a certain degree of influence in the money supply. There might also be a clause in the legal framework that would allow a temporary increase in supply over and above the constitutionally mandated percentage in times of war and national emergency.

This solution is fraught with very real problems. Further more, if this system became untenable for any reason it would simply morph into yet another fiat currency and the problems would begin again. That said, I really think this is the idea we're most likely see proposed for a "return" to a gold backed currency.
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