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1882-O Over S Morgan Silver Dollar Help Grading

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I see Ms- 65. what you see?

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Not sure. Could be the photo, but looks more of AU-58.
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AU-58
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Yeah, I see circulation too. I sincerely hope you're not paying Mint State money for these coins.
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Coin looks handled quite a bit. AU58 technicals would be my estimate. nlp
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I'm seeing an AU 58 on this one as well
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Would you guys please share where you see the wear with us?

I'm seeing a typical flat strike for an O and those marks on her face look more like "bag rash" than circulation damage. Looks like she's spent a lot of time in a bag somewhere. Reverse looks 63 to 64 to me.
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Would you guys please share where you see the wear with us?


Fair question.

I see an extremely strong strike for a New Orleans Morgan. The cotton bolls are nicely defined, the eagle's breast looks perfectly round, and the legs are quite detailed. The two largest, horizontal leaves in the wreath are sharp. A good strike.

Therefore, the relatively-little detail above the ear isn't conclusive, although suspicious. Moving farther up the hair - I'll describe the locations by asking you to extend the strokes of the letters in LIBERTY downward - the strands below the L and RT are particularly suspect as wear. I see some flattening on the cap, inconsistent with the good strike.

Further, the nature of the marks on the cheek and the fields are equally inconsistent with bag damage.

On the reverse, I base my opinion primarily on two things.

First, the superior strike evidenced by the leg and neck detail indicates I should see complete chest feathers. The nature of the lighting should throw some shadows there, yet the area is sort of washed out. I see this as wear.

I see very little detail on the talons. The lighting isn't perfect, but the (viewer's) left looks weaker than the right. The opposite will be true with a weak strike - the right talon goes away first. And there should be notable detail in the talons even if the breast shows evidence of a weak strike - it goes away first.

I would want to see the coin in hand before determining between AU55 and AU58, but it says here this coin has circulated.
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I think that it looks a bit circulated so I would agree with the AU-58 on this coin. It might slide by as a 60 if you are lucky.
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It appears to be around a AU-55 or 58. I lean a bit towards AU-55.
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Textbook AU58
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on second thought Textbook AU55...wishy washy answers I guess after two stabs but I really think it is 55 and not 58.
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I will go with AU55 also.
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Thanks for your insightful observations SsuperDdave. I think I'd really like to see this one in hand. The photos are a little washed out for my limited grading skills and aging eyes.

Maybe in another 20 years I'll be more accurate or, maybe it is time for that cataract surgery.
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AU-55. Where does the OP come up with MS-65 grades for this coin? GET SOME NEW GLASSES !
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I found the auction for this coin and can tell you to never purchase another coin from this seller. His coins are very over graded and are not even close to reality. Please heed the advice given to you by myself and other individuals on the forum.
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