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1921 Morgan Toner ? Ef? Au? Unc ?

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 Posted 03/12/2007  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well what does it grade Metalman
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 Posted 03/19/2007  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very intersting discussion on this coin, makes some good training points. As soon as I can get a decent pic (which may require getting a different camera!) I want to post a Morgan for you'all to take a shot at. Picked it up at a local antique show, but in the meantime I think the points made above are excellent and reflect a high degree of expertise.
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 Posted 03/20/2007  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EarlyUS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This looks like an AU coin that has been artificially toned to hide wear. The P-mint 1921s are not particularly prone to weak strikes, and this example looks typical. I'm sorry to say that it is probably only worth bullion value.
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Jim I dont buy slabbed coins ,, but by and with my limited knowledge I think the coin grades MS-63 due to the strike qualities.

Here are a couple of other pics with different lighting ,,sorry about the quality but I hand held the camera .But I think they illustrate that this is a MS coin and that the toning is natural.

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 Posted 03/22/2007  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Metalman, that purple is not a natural color. The coin sure looks like it was artificially toned to me and as such is ungradeable. Sorry.
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No need to be sorry Hadley dog ,, if that is what you believe then thats what I want to hear ,, The coin also shows alot of brown tones and I'm not sure how that would be artifically created but if its possible then I suppose that it could have been done .

I bought the coin on ebay ,, and probably over paid ,, but thats life as it comes and goes.

Since I dont slab any of my coins grading is not essential to me ,, but if the coin was artifically toned the ebay seller will receive an email from me ,, is there anyway to be certian about the toning ?

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Metalman, the star by E in front of the portrait and the 4 stars under the chin tell the story. Notice how the color runs up and over them? There should be either some shadowing or color transitions between the relief and the recesses, not a solid color. The first pic also shows an area slightly to the right of the date and just below the curls in the hair where it appears the liquid that was applied stopped moving towards the rim and pooled.
Did the seller have several toned coins with this similar appearance? Different series, all toned the same? That would be another red flag. Hope this helps.
Bruce
Here's a good example that really shows the shadowing and color transitions around the stars. Also note how the color changes in the hair with respect to the high points and low, and around the date.
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Metalman, here's a close-up for you.
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Thanks Hadleydog ,,sorry for the delay in responding but I had to take a work break !!


I appreciate the pics and the conversation !

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