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1921 Morgan Toner ? Ef? Au? Unc ?

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What do you think ? weak strike or circulated ,, the reverse appears UNC on the left but weak in places on the right ,, the obverse has similarly mixed details .



1921-Morgan--Toner-?-Ef?-Au?-Unc-?

1921-Morgan--Toner-?-Ef?-Au?-Unc-?


Thanks for any all opinions !!

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I've seen this weak-side strike on 1921's before. My snap guess is Uncirculated - I'll revisit this thread later and look a second time.
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I also believe its BU,somewhat flat strike that you see quit often on the 1921. These must be scans.They really mess with toning.
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Terry

actually they are digital photo's ,, the only color which does not show up well in the pics is the blue green color,,which takes in alot of the lettering and the top wing edges.

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After further study I see no reason to change my opinion. That's actually a rather nice coin - very few marks, and, I think, an MS65 candidate if the weakness of the strike doesn't get in the way.

Excellent photos, Metalman.
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Is there any luster on the coin at all? The pictures make the coin look very flat, though I know that many 1921s had bad luster.
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I hate to say this, but this coin could use......no, I won't say it.
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Susan the coin appears to have full cartwheel luster under the toning ,,from a different angle both sides of the eagle go to silver,, it would take a series of several pictures at different angles to get the full spectrum of the coin ,, It is really quite striking in hand !!

I will take a few more pics and put them up in my gallery after bit !! These photo's were taken in natural light,straight down.

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Dave... I know what you thinking.

I can't get my digital to pick up rainbow colors on a coin very well at all. I was told digital won't but maybe its just the less expensive ones that won't.
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Metalman, I'm somewhat new to this but I can give my oppinion anyway. It looks to me as if it were a misalligned die. You can tell by the width of the outer rim that the reverse die was not centered or level with the coin. The die being tilted slightly would cause the left side to strike first and slightly to the right of center. This would in turn make the left side stike weaker. It's my oppinion, but it makes sense to me. I agree with SuperDave it's uncirculated.
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Metalman, the toning on that coin does not look natural.

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I can't get my digital to pick up rainbow colors on a coin very well at all. I was told digital won't but maybe its just the less expensive ones that won't.

TLS5933, I use a cheap digital camera (Nikon coolpix) and it picks up color beautifully. It might be the light you are using.......try a GE reveal lightbulb, or early morning sunlight.
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Hi NGiles

Your opinion is welcome and appreciated ,, I wish more folks would frequent the grading forum !!

Thank you for the info ,, I had noticed that the reverse die was slightly off center,, but I really did not attribute the weakness to it .

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Metalman, I can see that the right wing is weak on the reverse. I can't tell for sure where the weak spot on the obverse is, but if I'm right about the die being tilted, than the weak spot should be in the stars to the right of the date. Let me know if that's the spot.
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Use the dot between E and Pluibus and compare it to the dot between the S and U.

but this coin actually shows weakness through the center on a line from 12 to 6 oclock of the obverse as well as the center of the reverse , which are common places for an under pressure coin to show weakness.

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I SAy Unc , but I will have to say I read all of the other posts, and The same quetsion I had Have been Answred regarding color, Cartwheel and Patina. EXcept one I see The Breats fetahers and all the detail seems to be there,but On the reverse the right hand side of the Wreath the second and third bunch Of wheat stalkes or what ever they are Look like they show wear. I am no an expert anything , But I would assume that the weak strike would usually hit the Breast and Wing tips .
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For some reason I can't get your pictures to pull up on my computer today. Time for a new one. I have a coin that has the same differences also, and the weaknesses are on opposite sides of the coin. If your weakness on the obverse is in the dot between E and PLURIBUS, than it would appear to be the same effect. I'll have to think it trough again, but I still think it has something to do with the die heads being tilted. One side had to of struck first and harder.
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