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   Hello all, my main area of numismatics in the last 20 years has been both USA & World error coins & currency.
I am hoping those that know Ancients Numismatics could help my I/D the two coins posted here. 
The only information I have is from the ebay sellers years back, where one said it was a Byzantine coin, and the other a "unknown" Ancient error coin...
As noted in the photos, NGC was of no help to me on this one, and all my Krause Books go back to 1600, and with having only these two coins, it would not make any sense purchasing books or catalogs on Ancients.
Any help would be greatly appreciated..  
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The first coin is indeed Byzantine, and is a follis of the emperor Anastasius, 491-518 AD
The second one is really hard to tell but I think it may be Probus.
The third looks like an antoninianus of Claudius II, from 268-270 AD.
Very nice ancient errors btw!
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09/14/2012 1:41 pm
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I thought it was only two coins. |
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Either its three or I messed up and the second photo is the reverse of the second coin in the third photo |
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The first coins appears to be either the Byzantine emperor Justin or Justinian, it is a folles from the Constantinople mint. Really not able to come up with a Sear number ubtil we determe which emperor it is for sure.
The second coin appears to be a radiated bust type of the emperor Claudius II 268-270 AD.
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NVM second and third photos are the same coin. The label #s are the same.
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The first coins appears to be either the Byzantine emperor Justin or Justinian, Its Anastasius. I see DN ANA on the obverse. |
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I thought it was only two coins also.
VK, good eye I missed the letters AN on the first coin, it is indeed Anastasius.
AS far as the other coin goes, it could be Probus but I can't say for sure. These are really interesting error, I have a few but non this prounced.
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We seem to differ here. I see the Byzantine as Anastasius and the small one as Claudius II. I'm less sure of the reverse on the Claudius but suspect Providentia. The Anastasius shows clear mintmark of Constantinople and the first workshop. NGC should be embarassed not to be able to call the emperor but I never am sad to see a coin escape being slabbed. If you are new here, you may have missed the below which was discussed recently. Can you diagnose it?  Edited by dougsmit
09/14/2012 2:10 pm
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On the second coin, I placed each side on the NGC Tag, with the center photo being a close up photo.
You guys know your stuff for sure, and when I read your replies it's like trying to learn another language...
Bottom Line, what would you agree on for me to place on the label/holder as this is part of a much larger collection that my granddaughter will inherit, and when the time comes for her to sell (years from now) I would like her to also know what type of coins they are...
I also didn't request any type of value because I know a coin will only sell for what another person is willing to pay for it.
MANY THANKS AGAIN...
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Byzantine Empire, Anastasius, 491-518 AD
AE Follis (M = 40 Nummi)
Constantinople mint (CON) workshop #1 (A)
Doublestrike
Roman Empire, Claudius II, 268-270 AD
Billon Antoninianus (probably about 1% silver)
Providentia reverse (not guaranteed but my best guess)
Flipover Doublestrike
Your statement regarding value is right on but neither of these will make your granddaughter wealthy.
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I think it's interesting to imagine the sequence of events that took place on these error coins.
First OP coin shown... What would cause the workman to strike the coin twice?
Perhaps the first blow was weak and not dead level and the workman could feel this and automatically took a second strike. But what caused the coin to move so far from center before the second strike? Was it off center for the first strike then repositioned for the second strike?
The second coin....for some reason the workman thought this coin should have another strike and did take the coin out of the dies and for some reason turned it over for the second strike. Fascinating.
On the coin Dougsmit shows ( I'll take a shot at it, but I may be wrong) there would have been a previous coin stuck in the bottom die with the reverse facing up and not yet noticed.
A new flan was placed in the dies without removing the previous coin.
On the first blow two(2) reverse images were created, the one on top normal, the other inverse from the coin below (brockage).
The new coin was then taken out, the previous (stuck coin) removed, then the new (brockage coin) was turned over, replaced, and struck again, creating a obverse on the normal reverse side and another normal reverse over the brockage side. Really fascinating.
This is a unique set of circumstances and probably happened in a matter of a few seconds at the mint before the workman went on to make thousands of more coins. I don't think you see this error very often.
For some reason it makes me wonder what the mint operation sounded like.
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