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Is It Possible To Remove This Medal From It's Encasing?

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 Posted 09/15/2012  01:47 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jmr1068204 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I tried to pick the most closely related forum.

I have several of these plastic paperweights with 3" bronze medals in them. They were, of course, meant to be paperweights. However, I want to get the medals themselves out (because I love medals in general, have had a considerable amount over the time and just...want them out ). This is some kind of hard plastic. I can't find them online at all to figure out the composition of the plastic. It is extremely durable...as in you could hit it with a sledgehammer (obviously a bad idea, and I didn't bother trying) and basically not dent the plastic or break much (or any) off from the outer plastic covering. On the most easily accessible side, the medal is buried about an inch deep into the plastic. Is there some kind of liquid material that would eat the plastic away and not harm or tarnish the medal? It is a bronze medal for sure and is about 1/4 of a pound in weight (out of the plastic). It just has a silver coloring on it instead of the typical bronze outside. I simply want to get the medal out untouched. It's an odd thing to do, yes. But is it possible? I can't imagine picking something like this out by hand...simply because the thing can't shatter like glass and it surely doesn't break like any plastic I've ever seen. It is about the diameter of a baseball and shaped like a large diamond. Here are some pics of a couple:

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http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/...mg3498am.jpg

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/...mg3500ni.jpg

The medals inside are rather interesting. And...any chance on identifying them? Couldn't find this paperweight online at all. I found darker bronze colored medals (same design, though), but they don't have the silvery coating on them like this. They are loose, and of course this one isn't. What would the silvery coating be? I had one that had plastic that was damaged, so I basically tried to open it. I hammered and drilled out to get to the medal since the plastic was damaged anyway...took a long time and wasn't easy. I ended up knicking a little bit of the side. It shows a coppery color underneath. But the side says "Medallic Art Co. Danbury, CT Bronze".

Any ideas? Or would all liquids harsh enough to eat this plastic also tarnish the medal? I was thinking that maybe if I carefully watched it so that it would at least dissolve enough away to be close enough to try to carefully pry the rest of the (then thin) layer of plastic away...it might work without damaging it. There is no "air layer" inside...both sides are covered directly touching the plastic, so it must have been inserted when the plastic was liquid. That makes it easier to damage if trying to open it, as well. But I'm puzzled how they inserted it and it didn't sink in the process...since all are exactly about 1" from the easiest side.

I want them just as a personal thing to have. So...any ideas?
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 Posted 09/15/2012  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You could try a hard freeze then a drop into boiling water, to attempt to shatter or crack it. Make sure to take safety precautions. A butane torch could be used to melt it, but could harm the medals in the process.
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You don't show what kind of plastic it is. Of course that's hard to say in the first place just by pictures. There are enough chemists around here that they might have ideas if we knew what type of plastic it is. ie lucite vs epoxy vs resin vs whatever.


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Or would all liquids harsh enough to eat this plastic also tarnish the medal?


You can certainly try acetone. It makes some plastics gummy. I've also used methylethylketone for such purposes, but don't know its effects on coins. I'd stay away from most other products from the hardware store.

You can always try your experiments on the surface of the plastic far away from the coins until you find something promising.

Of course if you try and fail you not only don't have the medals but you've ruined the paperweights as well. . .
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09/16/2012 01:31 am
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you could try putting them in a couple of gallons of petrol in a sealed bucket for a while.
I have noticed that petrol rots some hard plastics.
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If the medal is cast into the clear plastic there is going to be a lot of clear plastic to remove.

I suspect that the plastic material is cast clear acrylic. It is sometimes used for faucet handles.

Perhaps the first approach I would try would be to heat it to somewhere below a point below which the plastic would start to melt. (? 100 deg.C ?), then drop it into previously prepared iced chilled brine.

The plastic / medal combination would need to be kept at the heat level for a half hour or more, so that heat could penetrate through the whole body of the combination.

That would deliver something near a 200 centigrade degree heat range.

NOTE: without knowing what will actually happen, there will always be a significant risk of damage to the medal, so think long and hard before accepting that risk, if you eventually go this way.

To dissolve the plastic may involve the use of excessive amounts of rather dangerous solvents. Almost all chlorinated hydrocarbons are poisonous AND carcinogenic to the liver, but a solvent that is not chlorinated may be a bit (only) safer, in the quantities required.

Perhaps careful crushing in a vise may help release the medal. Maybe some preliminary drilling may help release some of the plastic.

A butane torch would cause localised heating only and perhaps to a point where the plastic could catch fire, the resulting localised heating may cause differential discoloration and heat stressing to the medal.


I have seen irradiated koala droppings cast in clear acrylic plastic paper weights and medallions to be sold to Jananese and Chinese tourists at Australian wildlife parks for souvenirs.
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09/16/2012 09:32 am
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I have seen irradiated koala droppings cast in clear acrylic plastic paper weights and medallions to be sold to Jananese and Chinese tourists at Australian wildlife parks for souvenirs.


What do they market these as......Drop bear droppings
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