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Valued Member
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I've only been back into collecting, and also now into coin photography, for about 5 months. It has become abundantly clear (since about July for me), that a much better coin photography solution lies in the use of bellows and prime lenses rather than my Canon EF-s 60mm f/2.8 dedicated macro. After lurking on ebay for a month or so I finally picked up a bellows I was happy with: A venerable m42 Pentax Auto Bellows: ebay Item # 200829241282Also on the way are m42-m39 and EOS-m42 adapters. I have been reading lots of old posts about various lenses and I think I will start with something affordable and decent like the EL-Nikkor 75mm f/4. I'm still going to operate this on my tripod with the fluid-style head mounted bottom-column. This is not the greatest setup for many reasons, and I'm currently brainstorming how to overhaul and get my tripod out of the mix. Lots of ideas flowing, not so much equipment nearby with which to MacGyver (that's right, it's a verb). Thanks to many of you who have helped me formulate opinions about gear and setup without evening knowing it! Hopefully I'll be posting some photos with the new kit in the coming weeks! Edited by LaureateBust 10/11/2012 3:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm anxious to see some of your work. What camera are you going to use? I think you have a good choiced in bellows and lens. You will have the best people helping you here!
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Hi Ham, I have a Canon 7D, and I'm anxious to see my work! The items that are on the way probably won't be here until next week, and I haven't even ordered a lens yet, so it'll be a while before I have even preliminary shots.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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You made a good choice with the 75ELN. It's a good lens from 0.4:1 (Dollars) up to 2:1 (variety shots) without having to reverse it. I assume you've seen Mark Goodman's test results for this lens, but if not you can see them here: http://coinimaging.com/nikon75.html
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Hi Ray, I used two main sources to make decisions on what gear to get: Mark Goodman's website and the many threads in this sub-forum pertaining to lenses from the cheapos to the 105PN. I'm taking your advice and starting with a 75mm before branching out into more exotic lenses for higher mags. All the work I've done so far has been between 0.4:1 and 1:1, so doubling that maximum magnification limit will open up a lot of new possibilities. I'm sure once I have that going I'll become annoyed with my camera support and lighting, and the setup revolution will begin in earnest 
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Valued Member
 Canada
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I wish I could say I was further along in my conversion to a bellows setup. The Pentax Auto Bellows arrived, and is like-new. No cracked bearings or even surface wear. Very solid piece of machinery. Sadly, I ran into what others have discovered when trying to mount some Canon DSLRs using an m42-EOS adapter: The base of the bellows' camera mount interferes slightly with the base of the camera, meaning I'll need a thin extension tube to properly secure the camera (or grind a bit of metal off the bellows).
At the other end of the bellows, my m39-m42 adapter has not arrived, but my first lens for bellows use has. I went with a Schneider Componon-S 80/4. The lens arrived yesterday and looks great! Too bad I can't mount it yet. Hopefully I'll have something to show sooner than later.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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My m39-m42 adapter finally arrived on Friday, so I've been able to mess around with my new Schneider Componon-S 80/4. Here is one of my first shots of a recent CRH find, a 2-image stack of a 1979 double 979 penny. This is full frame, and is the maximum magnification I can achieve with this lens on the Pentax Auto Bellows, and it looks to be about 2:1. Since I already have a m40-m42 adapter, maybe my next lens will be a 35TT  
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Valued Member
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Spent some time shooting whole dollars to get this one. I think it needs some 6 o'clock fill lighting to help even out the exposure and also to show the top denticles better. I guess I'll have to pick up a third light since adding a reflector isn't adding enough additional light. The coin is a 1939 Canada 1 Dollar, and it's a single image shot, with 2 steep-angle diffused LED lights at about 10:30 and 1:30. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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WOW! That belongs with the elite.
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Valued Member
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Those are great shots LB! What is your workflow to set levels and such? I don't think you need a 3rd light. You have enough exposure and plenty of dynamic range to even out the shadows. Here's the pic with a tiny bit of gamma correction... 
Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.com
Edited by rmpsrpms 11/19/2012 11:30 pm
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Hi Ray, and thanks; it means a lot.
You probably guessed my workflow already, with regard to levels. There isn't any! Here is basically what I did for the dollar shot:
1. Position coin / dial in magnification 2. Focus 3. Position Lights 4. Capture 5. Repeat 3 and 4 for 2 hours until satisfied 6. Crop to 1:1 7. Export (Resize Image/Limit Filesize/Save)
Part of the reason for the lighting taking so long is that I don't have Jansjos, or any lamps with both a flexible neck and fixed base. Instead my current pair of lights are flexible LED work lights you'd by at a hardware store diffused with parchment paper. I haven't converted them yet for use with an AC adapter, so they're each running on 3 AA batteries. I'll take a photo of my (cumbersome) setup to add to this thread soon.
It seems to me that once you have a reasonable setup that achieves proper magnification, focus, and alignment, the quality of the image is most sensitive to aspects of lighting, such as position. Since I get hung up here a lot I don't usually get to the point where post-processing can have a significant (and positive) impact on the image. As my setup evolves into something with which I can more consistently produce good results, I think I'll really come to appreciate what can be done in post-processing. I would say your post-processed image is a strict improvement to my original, and that was done using only the exported jpg, not the raw cr2!
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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LB...as you've learned it's difficult to get lighting and exposure to do it all. You need to adjust lighting to bring out the "qualities" of the coin you are looking for, and you need to not over-expose or under-expose, and at that point you have good raw material to work with. Trying for perfect levels just adds too many variables. I'm not very good at post processing so I do as much as I can with lighting and then only do final fixes in post along with my downsizing and cropping. Your published images are at least as good as my pre-processed shots, and there is plenty to work to get levels where you want them without a lot more work on lighting. As long as you are happy with the "qualities" of your lighting (luster, surface emphasis, color, shadow details) then I think you've got a working setup...Ray
Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.com
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 United States
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3 small comments, Laureate Bust:
1) Switch Steps 2 & 3, or refocus after lighting if you're not.
2) Switch to Spot metering.
2) Depending on your degree of paranoia, learn about EXIF data and how to exclude it from images you post online. This process will differ depending on what software you're using, and will have the additional advantage of making your files smaller.
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