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In the past, when I determine an estimate of value for a pre 1965 U.S.coins I would generally start with the RedBook. Now, with the price of silver exceeding RedBook values how do I reconcile the two values? When the silver spot price is higher than the graded RedBook value, do I just value the coin at spot? Are there rules for adding precious metal values? Are there sources I should be looking at ?
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If the spot value has surpassed the numismatic value of a coin then yes you should just go off the precious metal value. Generally you will just be concerned with silver for this to happen but I'm sure theyre gold coins it happened to as well.

Personally I use completed ebay listings to see what people are currently paying for a certain item and http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml
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If you can't get an exact equivalent ebay listing that matches the condition of your coin, the value assessment below maybe of some help:

The value can be assessed but is a little complicated without practice.
The value of a coin is made up of two components:
1 The nett bullion value
2 The numismatic value over and above the bullion value.

a) Find our the ASW for the coin.
b) Find the spot price per ounce at the time the listings in the book were written. That should be found in the introduction, before the listings.
c) Subtract the then bullion value for the coin from the listings value, to find the additional numismatic value for the coin.
d) Add the calculated numismatic value to the current bullion value for the coin to arrive at the current market value for the piece.

This approach becomes less valid for older listings, because the added numismatic value can also change, but should be reasonably accurate for listings less than, say, three years old.

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Red Book values are to high. I recommend you use http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml
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Based on the great advice I've gotten here, I keep five things in mind:

RedBook value
Spot value
numismedia
Grey Sheet value
Completed e-bay sales

I find that any one of the above can be skewed for a reason at any time, but by evaluating the five, I usually can come up with a price that is reasonably close to the 'theoretical objective value' - also recognizing that there is no such thing as a 'theoretical objective value.'

Finally, I add the following factor:

"How much do I want the coin?"
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The actual price of a coin is sort of never really known for sure until you either sell it or buy it. Yes many now use Numismedia for values. Some say use ebay, The Grey Sheet and there are numerous coin dealers on the internet so checking their prices too could help. The Red Book is known to be excessive in all prices.
What I do is just open the 2010 Red Book, look up a coin, reduce what is stated for prices and reduce by about 10%. Since I never sell a coin it really makes little difference any way.
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Telestrat27: You are on the learning curve! Enjoy the climb.

I have lotsa fun with ALL of the information I can get hold of, when I value ancients for myself. Auction records, time frames, comparative conditions, quality of strike, eye appeal, nominal and comparative book values.

And, oh yes! One of yours!
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What are people's thoughts on using the price guides at the PCGS and NGC websites?
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In the past, when I determine an estimate of value for a pre 1965 U.S.coins I would generally start with the RedBook. Now, with the price of silver exceeding RedBook values how do I reconcile the two values? When the silver spot price is higher than the graded RedBook value, do I just value the coin at spot? Are there rules for adding precious metal values? Are there sources I should be looking at ?


Red Book values should not be used for any reliable source guide for prices of anything, IMO, as that guide is printed once a year, and the prices are outdated by the time the issue is released. For silver prices, you're better off tracking the daily trade of silver, and other precious metals, from a source online like Kitco, or APMEX, and that is what you should value your silver coins at.

Even the CDN is not helpful in tracking the spot price of PMs, daily.
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What are people's thoughts on using the price guides at the PCGS and NGC websites?


NGC's prices are derived from numismedia.com, PCGS's price guide are retail pricing of the market.

Neither of which, IMO, show what coins are actually selling for IN the market, and for that data it's better to track completed sales from several sources like, ebay, Heritage, and TeleTrade.
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and for that data it's better to track completed sales from several sources like, ebay, Heritage, and Teletrade.


If you do use heritage and teletrade remember to include the buyers premium in the price otherwise the prices are only accurate for those two sites and those two sites alone
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I'm not sure if this is accessible to everyone or of you need to have a membership but this is also very helpful to drill into specific auction history.

http://www.pcgs.com/AuctionPrices/d...=MS&c=93&g=0


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Tbone unfortunately you have to have their coin facts subscription to see that
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I had a feeling that might be the case. Probably one of the better benefits of subscribing then.
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It is a very useful tool to have that all in one location and not have to look around everywhere. Of course a lot of dealers unfortunately dont care and still want what they want
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I use a combination of CDN and numismedia to determine FMV's.
Colonials, a whole different ballgame as there is no set price guide for them.
Red Book, look at their prices as entertainment :)
Ultimately, it comes down to what one is willing to pay..how bad you want it?
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