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Nurse + Coins + Macedonia = Jail?

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One must wonder WHAT coins were in the suitcase?
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 Posted 10/20/2012  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add YoungNumismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bet that they were just old Macedonian coins. A lot of countries have worked deals with the U.N. to make it where sending or taking old native coins from the country of origin is illegal. I for one think that this is completely ignorant because why hold it and not share it with the world. I mean coins are art and art is meant to be shared.
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 Posted 10/20/2012  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find it the same way Yn.... It's kind of weird... If we dont share art, why make it?
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I can understand in a way that they want to keep their history within their country (not saying I agree with it, just that I do understand it) because allot of countries feel allot different about their history than we do here in the states. I think in a case such as this they should probably just take the coins and release her. There has been allot of cases like this where the humanitarians are given gifts for helping someone and then the country tries to make an example out of them exactly like this. If they could prove she had stolen the coins or was in some type of smuggling ring then I could understand not doing this but this doesn't seem to be the case here nor with a couple other cases that has been widely televised before
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 Posted 10/22/2012  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They were ancient and/or mediaeval coins. Macedonia, like most other countries in the Mediterranean region, has cultural protection laws in place, preventing the willy-nilly export of antiquities.

I just hope that the coins in question are actually genuine, since that part of the world is the main location of replica/counterfeit ancient coin manufacture. I'd hate to serve jail time just because some judge didn't know a fake coin when he saw one.

For an anti-coin-collector perspective on the story, check out the Paul Barfield blog.
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I don't mind any country protecting its heritage - physical and otherwise.
But two-thousand-year-old coins are readily found in vast numbers in some parts of the world.
There's plenty for evry museum in that part of the world: what becomes of the rest of those coins ?
Laws to protect heritage need to be balanced.
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Well, ancient coins need to be treated differently than modern coins, because they are much more important as historical artifacts than as collectibles. From what I've gathered, ancient coins on the market are generally sold raw, without any reference to where they were found. This is troubling to me, because they are historical artifacts! They are part of the archaeological record! Selling them raw and unattributed to a site is irresponsible, because it erases that knowledge. In addition, it means you have to worry about counterfeiting because you don't know where it came from! There can be a responsible way to sell ancient coins, which would entail somehow associating a permanent record to the artifact encoding its provenance. Realistically, ensuring this means encapsulation, which is never done.

There is much more to be said about this, but it's 2:23 AM where I am, so I'll leave it there for now.
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 Posted 10/23/2012  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ragpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depending on what the coins were, they could have been considered artifacts and every country in the world will fight to protect their artifacts from leaving the country.

I travel, through my work, all through out the world myself and had on occasion the chance to bring back ancient coins. We were warned not to accept them as we could be charged with smuggling and theft of historical artifacts. The thought of spending time in a third world prison did not appeal to me.

Also since they were offered in the market.... most likely them were counterfeits, but why risk it.
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Cursive, I can see your point, but what do you do about the 2,000 years worth of coins that have already been dug up, and disbursed that have lost their archaeological connection? I'm all for protecting recent finds and keeping a provenance connection to the coins, but the best way to do this is to reward the reporting of finds and allow the finders to profit from their discovery. As with England's treasure trove laws, not to simply confiscate as many countries do. That only encourages the plundering of sites and the anonymous smuggling of artifacts or even the melting down of items of precious metal. After all if you are going to confiscate the gold coins I found and maybe put me in jail, my best chance to get away with them is to melt them down into an anonymous gold bar.

And yes maybe ancient coins need to be treated differently than moderns but where does the break point come? China has been truly to get their coins declared as cultural heritage up through 1911. During the first gulf war when it was believed that a museum had been looted they were proposing a ban on any coins that could have even come THROUGH Iraq or Kuwait up to 1990. Later after the supposed looting of a museum in Afghanistan a similar ruling was proposed. (In both cases it was eventually determined that the museums had NOT been looted, the curators had simply moved the collections from the museums to more secure locations.)
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And yes maybe ancient coins need to be treated differently than moderns but where does the break point come? China has been truly to get their coins declared as cultural heritage up through 1911.


You think 1911 is crazy? Russian laws on the same thing say that cultural heritage includes any local coins more than 50 years old... i.e. the cut-off is currently 1962. That includes not only the wire copecks (old indeed, if awfully common to the point that I've personally seen them on sale for close to melt) and the Imperial coins (many rare, many others not so rare, but almost none sell for $1 like the wire copecks), but also all of the pre-1961 Soviet issues; it's unclear how this relates to the series of 1961 (or for that matter to Soviet banknotes - their last two series were 1961 and 1991, so a banknote of the 1961 series could for all anyone knows be made in 1961 or 1990 or anywhere in between).
Fortunately, that only seems to apply to local coins, so nothing stops me from sending an 1620s Lithuanian coin out of Russia
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