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Another package is coming from across the pond with 4 more really nice tokens in it, can't wait. Some nice acquisitions here, Westcoin. Interested to see the newcomers. I also had a delivery today from an auction last week. Two 1873 farthings, both with original colour and pretty much full mint lustre. One with the high 3, and one with the low 3. Photo of the low 3 to follow asap, but here's the high 3.   |
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I also had a delivery today from an auction last week. Two 1873 farthings, both with original colour and pretty much full mint lustre. Lovely example!  |
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Kipster, a really nice looking farthing you acquired there! Does look like great luster, that is one of the main reasons I got into British coins, as I can't afford high quality USA Colonials and early copper coinage, but there are plenty of affordable British tokens and coins from as early as the 1200's, on that are in great shape and don't cost an arm and a house to buy.
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Thanks Westcoin, It's got pretty much full mint lustre on it and original colour. I expected them to go a bit higher at the auction, but was happy to get them for my maximum bid. You're quite right about the British issues, as you can get some really good quality and attractive pieces for (relatively) cheap prices. But then I suppose it all boils down to how much you really want something. Here's the second of the farthings from the auction lot - The other 1873 farthing with the low 3. Again, practically full mint lustre and colour.   |
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Lovely Farthings a denomination that has been mostly shunned for years . Here is a slightly scarcer penny and confuses even the most experience collectors 1940 Penny Single exergual line. The normal issue has 2 distinct lines where the waves meet the line. on the normal the waves sit high and away from the line edge. As you can see on this and is the 2nd marker the waves actually blend in to the line. Nice complete luster on this one couple of very minor carbon spots but other than that AUnc. Is it me or are the profiles on britanniar different and the helmet at the neck . One is wide and one is narrow?    |
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This nicely gold-toned token managed to find its way into my collection just last month via "private treaty."
It's a silver shilling issued 1811 or 1812 by the Dorchester bank, Dorsetshire, and it commemorates St. Dunstan, the 10th-century Archbishop of Canterbury now honored as the patron saint of gold- and silversmiths. If you notice the head of Satan and the smithy's tongs in the image below you'll want to get the "rest of the story," which I posted late last night in its own CCF topic to celebrate St. Dunstan's Day, May 19th (today!). That can be found here under the general forum heading United Kingdom (Great Britain) Coins.
Dorsetshire 3 in both Dalton (RRR) and Davis (R.r.) And a happy St. Dunstan's Day to all!
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Is it me or are the profiles on britanniar different and the helmet at the neck . One is wide and one is narrow? Now you mention it, I would have to agree. Is it possible to superimpose one over the other to see? I'm a luddite when it comes to imagery. Quote:
This nicely gold-toned token managed to find its way into my collection just last month via "private treaty." The more I see of the tokens that you and Westcoin share with us, the more interested I become. They're really quite attractive. Can you recommend any reading so I can go and have a nose please? |
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Beautiful examples! I really like the tone on the Dorchester token. |
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Kipster wrote: "The more I see of the tokens that you and Westcoin share with us, the more interested I become. They're really quite attractive. Can you recommend any reading so I can go and have a nose please?"
Happy to!
There are three classic reference for Conders and for the copper and silver tokens of the Regency Period (1810-1820). The links provided below will take you to online editions of the works themselves, and at that point you can either bookmark them for online browsing anytime, anywhere, or you can download them as PDFs onto your own "device." (I'm not sure if online access would be the same in the UK as it is here in the States.)
The Provincial Token-Coinage of the 18th Century by R. Dalton S. H. Hamer.
The nineteenth century token coinage of Great Britain, Ireland, the Channel Islands, and the Isle of Man : to which are added tokens of over one penny value of any period by Davis, W. J.
The Silver Token-Coinage mainly issued between 1811 and 1812 described and illustrated. R. Dalton. Published by A. W. Waters, Leamington Spa, 1922.
I'll add some modern companion works pertaining to each of these series in my next post later this evening. You would need to buy or borrow those, but I've had some success with Interlibrary Loan in some cases.
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Following up on my response of earlier today to Kipster's inquiry, here are some modern "companions" to the standard references on Conders and the early 19th-century British token series. Rather than a formal bibliography, I'll just post images of the books' covers, which should provide enough information for a search -- whether for an online purchase or for initiating a library loan.
Conders!
By Paul and Bente Withers and published by their own Galata Print Ltd, the title says it all...
While this one includes a complete reproduction of Dalton's 1922 bible on the Regency Period silver tokens as an appendix, the bulk of the book compiles great background material on each province's issues and issuers. The focus is entirely on the 1811-12 silver series.
Published by Galata and authored by Withers, this is primarily a price guide with some good expository info, adding the 17th-century series.
There are plenty of other books that deal with these tokens (R.C. Bell's series comes to mind, of course), but the ones I've posted above represent a pretty balanced mix of modern historical, cultural, economic, and exonumismatic approaches to understanding and collecting these intriguing tokens. I hope other CCF members will suggest their own favorites for Kipster's library.
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That's brilliant! Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I think that's my saturday sorted, the garden can wait. |
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I think that's my saturday sorted, the garden can wait.  The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Silver Penny piece - Henry III (?)   |
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daltonista I had purchased the Dykes book (on your recommendation I believe), before I had even purchased a token yet. a wonderful book I was then led to downloading all the Conder Token Collectors Club journals from NNP and then joining the club on the digital download deal ($10/year) to get the rest of the current issues, bought a couple tokens online, then I was hooked as they say. The David Dykes book is wonderful and a great way to start an interest in this amazing series of affordable and numerous series of numismatics. The Journal is also a great resource, and free from the NNP. Almost 80 issues here: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/publi...etail/527391"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Silver Penny piece - Henry III (?) Very nice! |
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