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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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Nice additions everyone! Quote: I have been extremely lucky finding some of the real rare coins in the Bronze penny spectrum Freeman 21 dies 3+D R18 Freeman 24 dies 4+F R17 I still live in hope for 1 of the 1863 varieties and the small date 1862 You never know, zookeeperz. The best places to look for them will probably be outside the UK, where dealers and collectors are unlikely to have specialist catalogs and would be unaware of the different varieties. I once purchased an 1865 over 3 penny in NVF/GF condition in France for 50 centimes (then about 5 pence)...
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United Kingdom
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Quote: The best places to look for them will probably be outside the UK, where dealers and collectors are unlikely to have specialist catalogs and would be unaware of the different varieties.  I just picked up a coin at auction that had missed it's variety being noted. Quite scarce and will post when I have my grubby little mitts on it.
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 Australia
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@arkancharles Regarding the 67 penny, is that the actual colour of the coin in hand, or is the lighting making it look silvered? You might want to squeeze the staple ends flat with some long nosed pliers, or sure as anything, one day they will bite into another coin and cause some damage. With the 56 shilling, are those scratches in the window, or on the coin itself. ( yeah I know, is this Twenty Questions?) Anyway, thanks for sharing 
The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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 United States
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Quote: 1956 Great Britain 1 Shilling Very nice! 
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Just arrived I'll class this in the minor variety of sorts category . A rather smart 1897 Bronze Penny with re-punched 9 in date and missing colon after T in T.B. The T resembling more to an I than a T prob caused by a Grease Filled Die this anomaly appears on coins dated 1896+1897    
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Fantastic! 
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United Kingdom
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Quote: A rather smart 1897 Bronze Penny Very nice example, Zoo. I've just got one and will be picking it up at the London Coin Fair this Saturday.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not a recent acquisition, really -- I'm just sharing a pretty picture of one of my silver shilling tokens from Portsmouth in Hampshire, undated but circulated 1811-12. It came to me as a PCGS-slabbed auction lot perhaps 8-10 years ago.
You can see who took the colorful snapshot for me, and what's interesting is that it's the second one they've done for this token. It will go back to PCGS within a few days for a third visit as they keep misattributing the piece on its label as "Davis 35," when in actuality it's Dalton 35...or Davis 30 if they want to insist on using Davis numbers, which are generally regarded as obsolete.
This had escaped my notice until just six weeks ago, when the same token -- but graded AU-58 -- appeared in a Stacks Bowers auction described as "Top Pop" for its type and was correctly attributed in its PCGS holder as "Dalton 35." It took me a few minutes to see that mine had been misattributed, but also that mine was the "true" Top Pop. (The good news was that the inferior token hammered out at US $264, or about triple what I'd paid for my MS-63 specimen. Also, PCGS has been entirely gracious and 100% helpful in getting this error repeated yet again.) 
Bottom line: what this illustrates is the folly of a TPG like PCGS using two different catalogs in attributing the material they handle. This would be like using Yeoman numbers instead of KM numbers for world coins, or maybe Batty numbers in place of ESC numbers for 19th-century British silver. But in truth, Dalton himself didn't help matters when he included Davis numbers in his own book...not in a concordance table or appendix, but right next to each of the illustrated tokens he listed, which is to say ALL of them.
Nice photo, though, isn't it?Portsmouth, Hampshire Shilling, Dalton 35, R, PCGS MS-63 (twice, so far).
"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough." --- Mario Andretti
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United Kingdom
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@arkancharles. That's a nice shilling. It's the rare Scottish one (only one lion). The English shilling has 3 lions.
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Quote: Not a recent acquisition, really -- I'm just sharing a pretty picture of one of my silver shilling tokens from Portsmouth in Hampshire, undated but circulated 1811-12. It came to me as a PCGS-slabbed auction lot perhaps 8-10 years ago. Fantastic!  Quote: Nice photo, though, isn't it? Yes! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well I finally found the one I've had on my radar since I got interested in Conder/Provincial tokens. A St. Michael's Church Penny from Warwickshire, Coventry, UK, Shown here on the obverse is an overview of the whole church and the reverse shows the interior of the cathedral. The DH-38a was struck in copper and in silver. A Peter Kempson token/medalet, the die sinker was Thomas Wyon. This was struck around 1797. In my opinion one of the most beautiful items in the Dalton and Hamer catalog of Provincial Tokens of the 18th Century. This particular one is in an NGC tomb. for now, it's protected at least. I really looked for awhile to find one that wasn't covered with carbon spots and stains. Pennies are big and they also seem to attract a fair number of dings, so finding one that I could be happy owning was an almost 2 year ordeal, this one was the 3rd example I looked at. They don't come up for sale all that often, and when they do, they tend to sell fast, case in point the last one before this that I looked at, I passed on but then thought about it for 10 minutes, called the dealer back thinking I should get it at least, as I could always sell it when I found a better one, but it had been sold within that 10 minutes, (it was a lot more stained than the one I have now). This will do until a better one shows up or one shows up in silver which I can afford.   Here is a painting by William Crotch from around the same time the penny was produced of St. Michael's church...  and the chapel/chancel interior...  I think the little Penny captured it quite nicely. 
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Edited by westcoin 11/03/2023 8:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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That's a stunner Westcoin! If I had that I would not feel the need to hunt for a better one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough." --- Mario Andretti
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Daltonista - That is a stunning token (Dalton-35/Davis-30) you put up there and yes all the TPGs seem to be having a real problem correctly attributing non US coinage lately. It can be a very costly point and they get around it by calling it only a "mechanical error" it seems more often than not. We are under going a heated discussion on that very topic on another forum. PaddyB & Daltonista - Thanks for the thumbs up on my newest token (well one of my newest at least), I've definitely seen better so I know they are out there, just not available.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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Fantastic token, westcoin, and a great reminder of what St Michael's Coventry (later Coventry Cathedral) looked like before its destruction in WW2.  Ruins of the old cathedral (St Michael's)  The new cathedral, designed by Sir Basil Spence and opened in 1962. It has an item of numismatic interest inside, as a number of freshly-minted 1962 pennies were let into the floor to mark the route for religious processions. After 50 years of feet passing over them they are mostly now just highly polished blank bronze discs.
Edited by NumisRob 11/03/2023 5:10 pm
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