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November 2, 2012 - Any News To Explain Pm Drop?

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After remaining fairly stable the last couple of weeks and even going up a bit yesterday, PMs are really dropping so far today (gold down $32, silver down $1).

Anybody heard any news that would account for this drop today? And what do you think the odds are that we'll see prices below $1600/$30 in the near future?
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Higher than expected jobs growth figures and a jump in the value of the U.S. dollar.
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Well, the ol Canary-hawk has been buyin silver lately Barry, via 100 oz. in last couple of weeks.....

I notice every time pms start down, they catch support after a 100 dollar and three dollar fall (or 1700 gold and 32 per oz silver), then it starts on back down before turning back north....

I still think we are looking at sub 30's for a while, but not as far down as last year perhaps, say 28 per oz. silver and 1625 gold, but just a hunch, nothing more....

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Well, if silver ends up below $30 by the end of the day, I'll probably be making a significant purchase. Which will, of course, cause it to drop another $2-3 come Monday...
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I think that support for gold is at $1680 and $31 for silver. I suspect the powers that be are trying to make the price of gold more affordable for the physical buyers in India and China; to shore up long term price goals. Right now the physicals suck. They try to spin it but year for year buying in India is way down and buying in this country is down.

Secondly I don't see this as a real retreat by silver, though I would love to be wrong. It was range bound at $31.60 to $32.20 for awhile. In other words it had a 60 cent range and we are 'only' 60 cents below the bottom limit. How many times have we seen silver go up one dollar or more, in price, in a single day? Lots of times. In fact so much that it is almost a "norm". In my opinion, for silver to make a solid break lower it needs to close below $30.80.

Lastly I had something I thought was interesting happen yesterday. I had an old customer come into the office and offer a single silver eagle for sale. Now, I am out of the bullion game for the moment, but; this was a regular of mine and he needed a helping hand. I paid spot for the Eagle and you should have seen his face light up. Why? Because apparently, and I verified this, the other dealers in town were only offering $28 for an Eagle.

That may be nothing new to most of you. But around here an Eagle has had a premium since this whole thing started. In fact there was a short time we were all paying a bit above spot, the demand was so high. We have all been paying spot now for the last year, and selling at spot plus $2. What the other dealers are now telling me is that they are buying Eagles at $26 to $28 and selling at around spot, but no less than $32.

With the price break today I contacted my regulars and they all told me that they are waiting till after the election to buy. The thinking is that a Conservative in office will depress prices. As the stated intent of that Candidate is to oppose QE.

Also a lot of the smart money sees the employment figures to go up more than anticipated. The thought is that not only will there be seasonal help, campaign workers (for this month) but that also the trades (Carpenters, Electricians,Plumbers, and Utility Workers) will also delay their season down time to make repairs because of Hurricane Sandy. They will also probably hire Helpers and Laborers. Higher employment figures have recently put pressure on PMs.

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Anybody heard any news that would account for this drop today? And what do you think the odds are that we'll see prices below $1600/$30 in the near future?


I haven't heard any news, other than that the cost of rebuilding from the east coast hurricane is likely to be $100B or so. Everything else seems relatively quiet. The only other thing I can think of is that we're very close to the election now and the closeness of the presidential race is causing a lot of uncertainty in people's minds. Not knowing how to deal with this, many are waiting it out in cash. Somehow that seems safer than investing in much of anything right now. That may or may not be the case but that seems to be the perception.

As to PM prices... I just saw an interesting 1-month graph of silver prices that showed a very clear stair-step pattern at $34.50, $33.50, $32.50, $31.50, and now nearing $30.50. Will there be other steps at $29.50 or even lower? No way to know for sure but if it is the election that is causing some of this price pattern, it coming to an end in 4 days should resolve at least part of this issue.

The next question seems to be, "Is this a buying opportunity?". It looks to me as if it is. Of course, stackers tend to buy a little on a routine basis and then try to load up when we get a significant price pull-back. We definitely have a price pull-back now but we don't know if there is more to come, if it will stabilize here, or start moving higher. I am in the market for another 80 oz. of ASEs, so will be buying either today or tomorrow. Will be watching the price charts closely for any clues as to what to do. Might also buy some silver or gold ETF shares. Yes, I know all the arguments for and against this but have made money in them before and converted that into physical silver.

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Economic uncertainty pre-election also factors into the slight dip. I think a lot of investors are standing pat until after the election before they decide to buy or sell.
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Well, if it doesn't make it below $30 before the end of the day, maybe I can convince my wife to let me buy a little "something something" instead of making a major purchase. There's always room for another 1000-ounce silver bar...
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I think some of this is folks needing cash so the PM's have to go,at least temporarily. I also think the amount of the damage done by Sandy has people rushing to a deflationary safe haven,ie,cash. My prediction is a sharp turnaround next week.
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if silver ends up below $30 by the end of the day, I'll probably be making a significant purchase.

Buy it Barry, Buy it Barry, Buy it Barry...
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I'm gonna go to the shop tomorrow and stack some silver bullion with a dash of gold.
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I put this in the other similar thread but for me to properly take responsibility for my actions, it needs to be here too...

The responsibility for today's drop is at least partly mine, because I made an online PM buy early this morning. Every time I make a buy, PM spots by definition drop like bowling balls in an open elevator shaft right after I make the buy.

Now that I'm temporarily broke again, everything should be back to normal in 2 or 3 working days.

Enjoy your weekend shopping spree!
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I agree with some of the things that have been mentioned. There were more jobs created than expected, but unemployment rose so thats a negative.

But people probably are getting to the point they need liquid money, the hurricane eliminated a lot of the eastern seaboard from even considering buying making the market demand much smaller, the USDX rose to the highest level since early september today, the disaster could have also made people see the need to have more emergency money that can be accessed right away as opposed to money stored in PMS. Really theres a lot of factors in play here at the moment and impossible to say which ones are having the biggest effect
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Ff if you an I squeak out a couple more buyz an Barry Getz a 1000 oz- well then we should be on our way to sub 30z....
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Every time I make a buy, PM spots by definition drop like bowling balls in an open elevator shaft right after I make the buy.

Hey -- you're stealing my schtick! Seriously, though, it's nice to know I'm not the only one this keeps happening to. Remember the huge drop earlier in the year from the mid $30s down to $27? Guess who bought a couple of monster boxes of silver right before that happened...

Anyway, just talked to the wife and she agreed that making a [relatively] small purchase now wouldn't hurt. I was thinking of buying another monster box if silver dropped below $30, but for now I went with a 100-ounce J&M bar from goldmart.com (only $0.59 per pounce over spot). If prices keep going down next week, I'll buy some more. If not, at least I got something.
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That's not a schtick. That's my life!
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