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also, monika has the same coin but from Philly does this mean that the die to her coin was polished too? In 1989 they made over 7 BILLION cents in Philadelphia, and over 5 BILLION in Denver. You tell me, don't you think there was a whole lot of polishing going on to extend the life of the dies? |
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maybe, but maybe they used the old reverse for the new coins.
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I type slow, so often another reply gets in before mine gets posted. Just happened on another post a min. ago. Not  While Seal showed the pics. and stated the correct info I was doing past post searches on here. Older posts are not kept I guess. Just wanted to be sure about the arguing part. Not so. I agree on this coin as being normal. |
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They ran out of reverse dies in 1988, that is why they used the 1989 reverses to finish off the run. I have dedicated 2 years into studying this. Look at the comparisons in the graphic I posted. Look at the inside of the bottom curve. On the 1988 it is almost a 90 degree angle, yours is curved like the 1989 should be. and the evidence of a serif on the bottom right. You can polish away features, but how would they add to the features like these two examples.
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Seal-I see what you mean about the "G" and the top of it not going over to the lower part. However the "F" looks almost identical.
Also when they polish dies...raised devices get thicker not thinner. So how would the G get thinner? I'm not saying this is an 1989 with an 1988 reverse but I'm saying I am not smart enough to dismiss it or confirm it. Sounds like you are extremely knowledgeble in this area.
This has been a good thread
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Also when they polish dies...raised devices get thicker not thinner. So how would the G get thinner? Not so. As the edges of a device are polished they become part of the field around the device. Raised devices on a coin are recessed like a cone on the die. So as the edges are polished it makes the field around the device larger and the actual device smaller because the recessed area gets smaller and smaller the deeper it is. Edited by seal006
11/06/2012 09:54 am
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"Joey - I know it is not a RDV-006. I think it is a 1989 obverse with a 1988 reverse and not a 1988 obverse with a 1989 reverse."
I didnt notice it was a 1989....
I found several like the OP's coin.
I sent one to James Wiles @ CONECA
It's an abraided die.
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11/06/2012 10:51 am
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Hi again  I was looking for my coin ,but misplaced it.Its in here some were.But I still have a few pics of mine.Here are a couple of pics.I copared mine with the 88 and noticed the placement of the initials on my coin are set as on the 1989.   |
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There is a difference of opinion on this variety- While most experts agree that there is no such thing as an 89 with 88 reverse (I've had examples that had great potential too), Ken Potter does list it as a variety with very little premium in the most recent edition of Strike It Rich (Don't you guys read books?) I personally find myself agreeing with Bob Piazza, attributor for Coppercoins, no such variety. There will likely always be a difference of opinion on varieties such as this and the '69-D No FG Cent, both the result of die polishing. Ultimately, people will choose to believe what they want, but good luck getting ANACS or any other TPG to certify the authenticity of the variety on the 89. Kudos to Sean (Seal), he answered the question quite well. |
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seal - I believe you are right but I have a question: If the die was polished would other features be diminished also so that if a true 89 with reverse of 88 could be identified?
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It depends on what features are polished. Some features on a die do not hold up as well as others during the minting process. The FG initials are one of those areas. Also you have to take into account clashes, which are a wildcard. They do not happen as often as normal die wear, and they do not always happen in the same areas of a coin. The 1969-D that Chris eluded to is a prime example of over polishing of the initials. Find five 1969-D Lincolns, and look at the FG. You will find five different degrees of polishing. It is such a random thing, but when you want to identify any particular variety in the future ALWAYS look at everything. The signs left on a coin will answer most questions you may have. For doubled dies and RPMs I look at coppercoins.com I use the die markers listed on that site to help me identify what I am looking at. Boils down to education. I am by no means an expert, but I am armed with more knowledge than the average collector. That knowledge helps me make my roll searching easier and a heck of a lot more fun.
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Also, though it is possible for a 89 with the reverse of an 88 to exist, the probability is highly unlikely. As I stated, in 1988 they made so many cents that the reverse dies intended for 89 were most likely used to finish the production run. It would be hard to imagine someone magically finding one of those 88 reverse dies while making the 89's and using it. Even if they did, I would think that by now there would have been some pop up and certified by a TPG, much like the 1992 CAMs. I am not ruling out the possibility, just very skeptical that it would have happened. Edited by seal006
11/06/2012 9:21 pm
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I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and educating me. I do enjoy coin roll hunting and will keep looking! Thank you! :)
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You are quite welcome. Before you know it you will be teaching as well.
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