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Dots On 1947 Coins (Coincidence Or Deliberate ?)

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There is three coins out of six that have dot varieties (5 cents, 25 cents and $1) in 1947. I find it hard to believe, that these varieties are solely due to some random imperfect dies. Judging by their deliberate positions, my theory is they were early and deliberate attempts (like 1936 one, ten and 25 cents dot coins) to mark early 1948 mintages before the new dies were available. I think the 1947 dots are unofficial experiments that were released into the wild, before the official 1947 maple leaf marker was chosen.
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The 47 dots are simply die chips that happened to fall in a place by the date . The only reason they have value over the "regular" issue is dealers hype them up . I'm not sure but if you search online Ken potter did a write up these so called dots . I wouldn't pay a premium for them .
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with 1945V that the Dots were deliberate and eventually replaced with the Maple Leaf. It would be too coincidental for the 1947 dollar, quarter and nickel to all have dots on the same spot. It would be like winning the 6/49 Jackpot three weekends in a row.
Believe me, you would be investigated thouroughly!................LOL

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We'll probably never know for certain.
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I just can't believe it's not pre-planned the way the die chips just so happens to fall on the same spot on both coins. And they're perfect tiny circles.
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Are you sure that they are perfect tiny circles ? In Kens article , he demonstrated that they are not dots . If you look under a glass/scope , you will see how irregular they are . Canadians are so hung up with dots
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I believe the "dot" on '47 nickel was intentional and not result of die chip... I have ten of them in front of me, and under magnification, although some are perfectly formed and others a bit worn down, all of the dots are in EXACTLY the same place...

However, it's not likely that the "dot" was intended to be counter mark for the maple leaf, as the maple leaf is in a different position further away and higher up than the dot...


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As I understand it.....

India was no longer part of the British empire and therefore "ET INDIA" had to be removed from the obverse. There was not enough time to remake the dies so the 1947 dies were used to mint coins in 1948 (it still contained the words "ET INDIA" but was okay because they had a 1947 date). Once the dies were remade to exlude this then they were minted with the 1948 date.

Now comes the speculation......
making a dot on existing dies would be very easy to do. The RCM could start minting coins immidiately, thus buying themselves enough time to make a maple leaf on the remaining dies. This would mean that the dot dies would have been used for a very short span until the maple leaf dies were ready.
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I thought the 'dot' was the just the maple leaf die filled with coin material from so many coins being punched with the same die.
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Cameron

If there is a defect in the die ( chip) , this defect would be in exactly the same place . Sometimes it grows larger as it deteriates .
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I think Glenzy is 100% right with his 6/49 comparison.
One dot right after the 7 is unusual enough, but the odds are astronomical for three different coins having a dot at the same spot after the seven and aligned with the bottom arc of the date.
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