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Shill Bidding Or Not?

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 Posted 11/14/2012  12:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Poll Question
I came across an auction the other day with a rather odd bidding history, only two bidders but one had placed 16 bids and was not the winner
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....251179592912

What say you, shill or no shill?

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 definitely shill bidding
 possibly shill bidding
 not shill bidding
 what is shill bidding?

Edited by biokemist6
11/14/2012 1:34 pm
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 Posted 11/14/2012  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buyers do that ALL the time to scare off other bidders. I do it sometimes myself.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not when you look at this from each bidder
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 317
Items bid on: 128
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 5%

and this
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 180
Items bid on: 44
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 2%
Edited by erkle
11/14/2012 12:58 am
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 Posted 11/14/2012  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's what I looked at as well.

Usually shill bidders have a very high Bid Activity with that seller.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If there is a hgih number of bids on an item, wouldn't it make you want to check it out to see what is so special?
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 Posted 11/14/2012  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt it's a shill. If so, they're putting in a lot more time and effort than this coin would seem to merit. I think z***z is just "nibbling" to see where f***c is at so that he eventually moves past him but doesn't leapfrog past him by any more than he absolutely needs to in order to take the lead. Bobby: How can\does doing this "scare off" other bidders while the auction is still live? If this auction was still live would f***c be able to see that z***z was stealthily working on overtaking him....?
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 Posted 11/22/2012  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I voted no, but how about this one? (hope the link works)

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 260
Items bid on: 65
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 100%
Bid retractions: 1
Bid retractions (6 months): 1

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....yer_ViewLink

Unless I do not understand the data, it's obvious to me to be shill bidding. I'm a little surprised though as I've bought from this seller before and HAD a higher opinion of the seller. I always watch this on items I'm bidding on. Any whiff of bid inflation and I'm out.
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11/22/2012 08:11 am
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 Posted 11/22/2012  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
it's obvious to me to be shill bidding.


Could be obvious that it's a loyal customer too.

I have at least a dozen buyers on ebay that only buy from me. Accuse me publicly with such BS "proof" and you'll be signing for your mail. You have absolutely, positively, no clue if it's shill bidding and to state it as a "matter of fact" is nothing short of criminal.
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 Posted 11/22/2012  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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nothing short of criminal.


I don't think so, however alleging someone to be a criminal without proof is probably at least borderline defamatory among other things.

Your previous responses on this topic make it quite clear your opinion and position on this and everyone should respect that. Do the same for others.

I stated my thoughts and put it out there for input.

Chill and Happy Thanksgiving!

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 Posted 11/22/2012  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Larryh86GT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like 2 bidders duking it out.
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for all of ebay's shortcommings, they actually have pretty extensive software, that looks out for shill bidders, and yes they do actually catch people. It would be interesting to see if the person doing all the bidding actually ever won any items. and even if they didn't it would be suspicious at best..
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