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Ebay Got Me Again. Sort Of. 2009-S Toned Penny Set

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After reading the post about Lincoln Penny sets which have toned I decided to purchase one on ebay. I accidentally bought two (that's another story) off ebay. The first set came and she's a beauty. The second set came and there is practically NO toning. I've provided a link to the auction. The set he shows has a deep, dark patina. The set I got looks like it came from the mint. His description claims a toned set but I did not get a toned set. Do you think I'd be wrong to send it back? I hate sending stuff back but he did not send what was promised. Look at his pictures and tell me what you think. I did shoot him an email to let him know how I felt. Waiting for his response. For what I paid, it's not like I got burned on an 1893S Morgan.

Link to auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SET-OF-2009...p=true&rt=nc

Here are the pictures of the set I bought earlier (removed from the set) and compared to the set I just received.



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 Posted 11/15/2012  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pics from the seller are hard to tell but it doesn't stand out as toned even from the listing
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 Posted 11/15/2012  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Inconclusive. They do not look like the same coins, but it could be the difference in lighting between the photos.
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 Posted 11/15/2012  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or he used a photo from another seller.
Or he had more than one set and used the same PIC over and over.
I'm not too concerned. Just a little disappointed. Maybe I should try my gun blue experiment on them.

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Did the seller offer any type of return policy on the auction?
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Dave H,

Actually, the way ebay works, if the buyer is unhappy and wants a refund, he'll get a refund. I'm not that litigious. I just want him to respond to my question and hear what he has to say. I'll give you 10 - 1 odds that I will not send it back. I may experiment with them or just tuck them away for a future Secret Santa. And I told the seller earlier in my email, the case is cracked in two places too.
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The set you received appears to be a different set as the seller's photo clearly shows toning the coins. I would pack them back up with the original papers and wait for them to tone. The hassle and cost involved to return them would not be worth it to me. I would however contact the seller and tell him or her that I didn't receive the coins as pictured and see what the response is.
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Frankly, if you're happy with the set, keep them. Pristine sets are going to be difficult in the future - not many are serious enough to keep them under the strict conditions necessary to prevent eventual toning - and if you want them toned, well, there are ways....
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dave700x,

You basically echoed what I said in a follow up post. Great minds think alike.

SsuperDdave,

I just said the same thing to a friend last night on the phone. I told him that the untoned sets may command a premium in the future if most of them tone. Once again, great minds think alike.
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Yeah, It took me a few minutes to finish that one. Work always interrupts the important things.
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Pretty nice! For under $10 I wouldn't send them back. There's nothing wrong with some spare coins.
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 Posted 11/15/2012  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BadThad,

Something tells me that when it comes to Lincoln pennies, you will never or can ever have too many.

If memory serves me correctly, I've only returned one thing from ebay and I can't remember what it was. Once, I bought a leather jacket and It wasn't as described. It wasn't returned. I wore it for part of one winter and when the next winter rolled around I re-listed it. This time it was described better with the companies name in the description which the previous seller didn't do. This company is Schott and their vintage jackets can bring hundreds. Originally, I only paid 40 dollars and when I sold it she brought over 80 dollars.

Sometimes a mistake can turn into a windfall but more often they just turn into a FALL.
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 Posted 11/15/2012  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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not many are serious enough to keep them under the strict conditions necessary to prevent eventual toning

In the Eastern U.S., that is. I've now checked 2009 Proof Sets at six different Denver coin dealers, and none of the Cents in OGP lenses have toned.

I have a complete collection of Silver Proof Sets 1992-2012, and the only toned Silver Proof coins I have are a loose lens of year-2000 Silver Proof Quarters I bought from an ebay seller in upstate NY, specifically for their subtle gold tone.

mds, too bad those Cents aren't like Broken-Coin's. Those were just

Still keepers, though.
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DNA,

The toned set (notice I placed them in individual plastic holders) look much nicer in person. I took the pictures quickly with the wrong light and it shows.

I'd be willing to buy another set off the seller if they looked like the ones in the picture and I'd still keep the untoned set. I'm still waiting for his response. It's funny how when you buy from some dealers, they'll respond quickly, but when there's a problem they take their time getting back with you.
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I am slightly puzzled by one thing. You mentioned a "deep dark patina." On a modern proof, why would you be looking for a deep dark patina, it might even negate the cameo effect. I know people like certain colors of toning, but if your definition of "deep dark patina" is what I'm picturing in my mind, I would be pretty upset if that is what I received, and certainly not what I'd be looking for.
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hesgut,

You are correct. I used a bad choice of words. I should have said a deep darker rainbow tone. Not patina.

Like the song goes:

Sometimes I don't speak right, but yet I know what I'm talkin' about.....(Why can't we be friends)
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