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These 3 coins concerned me the most. I bought from same ebay seller and looked like they have been cleaned. The dates seemed almost as if filed. Not sure since new at this.



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 Posted 11/20/2012  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I moved this post to the Classic US coins forum for the proper attention.
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 Posted 11/20/2012  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not sure since new at this.


Welcome to Coin Community, and thank you for being realistic. Given that these images are scans, it's really difficult to draw conclusions about the originality of the surfaces.

Forgive me if I'm about to say things you already know; I'm saying them as much for those who are reading and not posting. "Cleaning" takes two main forms, mechanical and chemical. You can identify mechanical cleaning relatively easily: a 5x loupe and direct sunlight outdoors will reveal it as clearly as infrared will illuminate a hot spot. The hairlines caused by brushing will show themselves via tilting the coin at various angles in direct sunlight - take my word on this, the sun is harsh - and in that light the characteristic smearing of whizzing (high-speed mechanical polishing) will show itself under the loupe.

The sun is the numismatist's friend.

Chemical cleaning is a bit more subjective and, unfortunately, a lot more common and harder to detect. Many believe (rightly) that a majority of Morgans have been subjected to it during their lifetimes. Done right, it's not detectable. Plain and simple. One must balance knowledge of what a coin's luster *should* look like at a given level of wear with knowledge of how the unique (huge) variances in Morgan striking quality might imply wear when none is present.

Too little information exists here for any conclusive determination. What I *can* see could be quite normal for Morgans of that level of wear (only the 1881 seems to me like it could possibly be Uncirculated).

I will say that, aside some added-value variety which isn't obvious, nothing presented here is worth more than $35 to me.
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 Posted 11/20/2012  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newcoinman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for your reply. Everything you've said is new to me, so I truly appreciate it. The coins are still posted where I bought them, but I don't want to trash any sellers, since I do believe any fault is my own doing. I paid about $36 for each coin, plus $2 S&H, so at your value of $35 I feel comfortable. I'm trying to build a collection for my grandkids, so time is on my side.

SsuperDdave, thanks a million for your opinion and tomorrow, I'll take them outside and check with Mr. Sun. If they've been cleaned, I'll store them for posterity. Thanks again.
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 Posted 11/20/2012  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At that price, the worst-case scenario is that the cost of your lesson was probably cheaper than the cost of the electricity it took to power your computer to learn it. Drive on, man.
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 Posted 11/20/2012  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newcoinman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it impolite to put a link like this one and ask for an opinion? If it is I will not do it again. No matter what, I am very happy with this purchase and the seller was great.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/11097474684....m1497.l2649
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 Posted 11/21/2012  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

For the price you paid you really shouldn't worry to much. And considering your just trying to build something for the future, that too makes for a better purchase. It is odd that those look so clean unless they were cleaned. As any coin gets wear due to circulation it is common to pick up dirt inside the enclosed type of numbers or letters such as a 9 or 8, etc. If you check out those coins with a decent magnifier and there is no dirt of any kind inside those letters or numbers, very possibly cleaned. I say possibly since in many instances some coins just look cleaned and are just the way they are.
Cleaned or not since they are for your grandkids, the distant future will make them a lot more valuable than what you paid.
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 Posted 11/21/2012  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newcoinman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again, thanks to everyone for their help. I checked them in the sun and can see light scratches so they were definetely clean. My grandkids will enjoy.

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I can not tell anything in detail, but if you see hairlines, that could simply be circulation scratches. They seem to be only lightly circulated, so they would not necessarily pick up a bunch of grime.

Regardless, at the price you paid you are fine.

And you certainly can post a link and ask for help! All of us do it on constant basis if we have questions.
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 Posted 11/21/2012  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And no, it is not impolite to post an ebay link to a coin you're considering, so we can help. Happens all the time. Caution, though - you may be showing that link to someone who will then outbid you for that coin....unfortunate but true.

While we're at it: If you happen upon a really nice deal on ebay, do not post that coin here until you have it in-hand. Wouldn't be the first time an ebay seller has "lost" a coin in order to sell it to someone who made a higher offer after the end of the auction.
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Agreed with Dave about showing to many ebay listings since you create more competition for yourself.

If youre worried about priced especially for graded coins you can use http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml and look at completed ebay listings of the same thing to see what theyre going for at the moment. The prices arent set in stone and real nice examples will usually go higher while not nice ones will go lower, but youll be able to get a ball park figure to know about what its worth
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 Posted 11/26/2012  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not know if this applies to your coins or not but I had some Barber halves that I bought which were too shiny. I posted on CCF and it was suggested to put them on a wood window sill to help tone them.

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