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hi guys, I got an small uncleaned lot recently, pretty much just to get this coin. didn't really need cleaned up much. could only see the reverse on sellers pic, on the obverse there tunred out to be a nice lookin' jesus. this has to be a byzantine coin but I can't figure out exactly what it is, can anyone help?   pictures don't really do it justice, it's a great looking coin. |
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I can't really help with that type of coinage but dude I want a Jesus!
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Very interesting piece that I have not been able to locate yet. The style is late 11th century, but I haven't found any emperiors that it matches to. Can you make out any of the letters around the edges? They aren't too clear to me. Also what is the size, weight, and metal?
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I don't think it is a coin. The reverse looks slightly convex and usually reverses are slightly concave. I think I recognize all of the anonymous types and this isn't one of them.
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I was thinking the same thing, maybe a token or a seal.
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ski and aug, it's about 28-29mm, bronze I would guess (could be copper?), don't know the weight. (could weigh it at school)
the on obverse the lettering to the left of christ is
"EMMAO" or maybe "EMMAC", to the right is ?HA?(SHA delta?)
on the reverse to the right of the two figures is an IWA I think, going vertical....can't make out the letters to the right of the figure, looks like an O in the middle of 3 characters.
the reverse isn't really concave or convex...it's all pretty flat.
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you're right ski, the christ on my coin, seal, token, is a dead ringer for the 11th century christ obverses. look at this coin...  here's the info... BZ62375. Bronze anonymous follis, Anonymous follis of Christ, class A3; SBCV 1818; Grierson ornaments 41, VF, weight 7.590 g, maximum diameter 27.0 mm, die axis 180o, Constantinople mint, c. 1023 - 11 Nov 1028 A.D.; obverse + EMMANOVHL, facing bust of Christ, wearing nimbus cruciger with two pellets in each limb of cross, pallium and colobium, holding gospels with both hands, to left IC, to right XC; or is info form a similar coin... Bronze anonymous follis, Anonymous follis of Christ, class B; SBCV 1823, F, weight 11.622 g, maximum diameter 30.0 mm, die axis 180o, Constantinople mint, obverse + EMMANOVHL, facing bust of Christ, wearing nimbus cruciger, pallium and colobium, holding gospels with both hands, to left IC, to right XC so that must be EMMANO on the right, but doesn't look like vhl on the left. |
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Very intersting Chris I love these Byzantine coins, very nice large coin too!, but, this one doesn't ring a bell. i'll keep looking...  |
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I believe the obverse legend reads EMMANOVHA which translate to "God is with US". I don't know about the reverse though. I believe this is a token.
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This piece has got me stumped. I've searched all the references that I know and have not found any match.
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Maybe search closer to medieval times for a match? The fabric of it looks more modern than Byzantine to me. This is just my opinion. I am no expert.
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ok guys, this one is driving me bloody nuts. ski, the coin weighs in a 6.8g..is that a little lite or ok for the style? tj, I thought about some type of medieval eastern european or russian coin, there are some like it, fer example... http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/slavic/coin.htmlbut couldn't find a match. do you guys think it is some type of tourist fake fantasy piece? i don't see any obvious casting seem or anything like that, but I'm not good a picking that stuff out. didn't see anything like it listed on the forumancient coins byzantine fake page either. Edited by chrsmat71
12/03/2012 6:31 pm
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The size is right for a Class A Anonymous Folles, but the weight is way off, average weight is 15 grams. The style is like I said earlier 11th century and the image of Christ is very close to the ones we see on the coins of Basil II. However the reverse just doesn't fit. Also what seems odd on the reverse is the two figures, the one on the right appears to be the emperor and the one on the left appears to be a saint or Christ. This is opposite to what is normally seen, usually the saint is on the right. Outwardly the piece appears to be from the period. I honestly at this point say it's real or fake. If it was mine I would contact David Sear send it to him and see what he has to say about it.
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Back to the seal theory: there appears to be a depression at the top of the obverse, on the rim. TO me it looks like it might be the remnants of a hole where a sealed thread has once passed through, but such holes always come in pairs. Is there any evidence of a similar depression at the bottom?
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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sap, no, I don't see any other areas of damage like that. what would that mean? the "sealed thread"? is that used in casing or something?
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Official documents had seals, these seals were unique to the emperor or official that issued the document. These seals were usually made of lead and a hole was drilled from the top to bottom were a small cord was passed through and attached to the document.
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