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Roman Counterfeiter's Dies

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Hey everyone, I like the coin collecting side of things - but what do you guys think of these?

For $285 you could have one of your own and strike your own FEL TEMP fallen horseman coins-

Roman-Counterfeiter's-Dies.
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I would love to have a real die, I don't think $285 would cover the cost of one of those. It's interesting, but I wouldn't spend that kind of money on fake dies.
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Is there something illegal about selling the means to create numismatic forgeries?
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Echizento - did any official mint dies survive? I've never heard of any being found.
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They do exist though very rare and mostly in muesum collections. There was a thread here some time ago that showed some. I'll see if I can locate it.
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I believe I saw one in the Numismatic Museum of Athens
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This looks more like a mold set to cast fakes rather than dies to strike fakes.
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Here's a rare set of dies used to strike Dupondius/As under Augustus...

http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=153091
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For $285 you could have one of your own and strike your own FEL TEMP fallen horseman coins

Is there something illegal about selling the means to create numismatic forgeries?

If these are genuine ancient counterfeit dies, then using them to strike fake coins would be foolish. Metal embrittlement would mean they are no longer capable of withstanding the pressure they once were.

As for the more general question of the legality of selling dies for fake coins, it depends on which country you're in. In America, the only counterfeiting equipment you're not allowed to buy or sell is for coins "in likeness or similitude" to US coins. Fake ancient and foreign coin dies are perfectly OK.

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There was a thread here some time ago that showed some. I'll see if I can locate it.

Here's one, with a matched pair of dies of Augustus.
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Thanks Sap, that's what I was looking for couldn't find them. Glad you did.
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That's not a die, rather a mold ("mould" for you Brits). It is made of terracotta (clay) and formed by pressing genuine coins. See my site:

http://esty.ancients.info/numis/molds.html

for more about molds for counterfeits.
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