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Recenlty Bought 3 Half Eagles.counterfeight?

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 Posted 12/16/2012  07:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Recently I bought 2 Indians and a lady liberty from a fellow collector as an gold investment. But I have some suspicions of being counterfeit. My knowledge on this side of numismatics is vestigial.My gold coin filler recognize them as counterfeits.So I upload some good pictures to ask about your opinions.
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 Posted 12/16/2012  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you should stick to slabbed unless you are confident that these raw coins were real. These type of coins are faked in large numbers by the chinese
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 Posted 12/16/2012  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry I can't help you but I'm also interested in seeing some opinions about these coins.

Good luck, and I hope this story ends well.
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If real the 1914-d and 1915-d are in nice shape although I do have my suspicions about them but ill wait to see what everyone else says. The 1880 looks like it might have a die clash or a hair on the back above it and the rim looks very odd to me on that one
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Is that a 1915-D I am seeing? There were no half eagles minted in Denver in 1915 and according to the RedBook there are known counterfeits with that date and mintmark combination. I am suspicious of the 1914-D as well. The mintmark on your example sort of looks like it was carved out of the surface and appears to be positioned too high when I compared it to other examples on Heritage. Is that a lump on the face that I am seeing on the face on the 1880? If it is, it would make that coin very suspicious. Sorry for being the bearer of bad news. While they could be made of gold and to the correct mint specifications, I would still return all the coins back to the person you bought them from.

P.S. What is a gold coin filler?
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All 3 look very suspicious. I would be wary of these. That rim picture, the rims look off to me. The D's on the 1914 and the 1915 look carved and do not look original.
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the 1880 if counterfeit may fool me also the Indians do not look real to me but I am having a real hard time determining what about them makes me feel this way. I have a hard time with these incuse designs anyway and have mentioned this before on here, but there is something that just doesn't look right to me. I know I don't remember seeing the lip so pointed on the incuse Indians but not sure that's what is throwing me off here or not


Edit: I placed your 1915 beside my 1911 and there are definitely some differences. The forehead,nose and mouth is three that jumps out at first glance but I am sure I could find more if I were to look real close

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On the Reverse the Eagle just looks bigger or something to me
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Real or not, the color of that gold looks completely washed out. Quite frankly they look like terrible specimens if those pictures are at all representative of what they look like in hand. I'd stay far away from those coins.
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Well, if the original poster tested the metal for gold (and karats) and and paid an appropriate price for the value of the gold alone, no harm no foul :) He/she did say that the coins were purchased as a gold investment, so perhaps any additional value for the coins was going to be icing.
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 Posted 12/18/2012  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I already contacted the seller to return them.The only fact till now I have is that the coins do not pass my gold filler tester. The price I've paid is 950 euros which is close to gold price.As you can understand I can't make the acid test because I will return coins to owner.I want to learn if that possible if the coins have significant differences from original coins. If not possible I will stuck for now ,to my gold tester opinion
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I was going to say that they do not appear to be made of gold.
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they do look funny looking fools gold almost brass looking
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It isn't a stretch to understand how minor differences in photographic technique can easily end up in what you're seeing. I'm not coming down and declaring these all genuine, but keep in mind none of them look perfectly square to the camera, either.
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The very first step in in the exposure of any fake coin is to weigh it.
Ring tone comparison test would be next, to eliminate the possibility of a tungsten core.
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