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I apologize up front for copying SuperDave, but don't they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?  I was so impressed with his 1866 3CN that, when I was at the coin shop yesterday, I took some time to take a closer look at the three or four 1866's they had in the case. This is one I found. Is this a Cud, or what? Also, the fine striations on the obverse...are they the result of cleaning or die polishing? (I think the coin has been cleaned...the LIBERTY is too clean, for example...but I was wondering about the regularity of the striations.) The weak strike on the front at 7 o'clock corresponds to the Cud at 10-11 on the reverse. Thanks for your thoughts...     ***Edited by Forum Mom to move to Variety/Error section***Edited by hunter20ga
04/07/2007 6:30 pm
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O_OUm yeah, that's a Cud. Heck, that may be the mother of all cuds. I wouldn't care if it had been cleaned (I suspect you're right - it's been brushed); that coin would have entered my collection on sight. Die polishing likely wouldn't show such color contrast between lines and the haze in your pics; the polishing lines would exist below the color and would be the same color as the fields. In addition, die polishing lines don't show up on the devices, because they are created on the high points of the die - the fields of the actual struck coin. If you visualize a die as the negative of the struck coin, you'll understand how difficult it would be to polish inside the recesses. Holy cow, what a coin.
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I think this is a struck through scrap ,,it does not look like a Cud to me . The fact that the denticles at least a few of them are visable or actually between the denticles ,,means that the piece of the die was still there . Very cool coin !! Metalman |
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You may also be right, Metalman. What has me thinking the way I do is the apparent continuity of the metal near the rim, but that could be the result of the photo. Hunter20ga, can you do a loupe study of the edges of the feature, to see if maybe what we're thinking is a Cud is not actually attached to the coin? If it's a scrap strikethrough, you should be able to define the edge of the scrap all the way around. Either way, I still love the coin.  |
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Greenhorn question. If in fact that is struck through scrap, shouldn't the denticles and leaves be more pronounced on the scrap part? It looks just like a Cud, but the remaining denticles on the die couldn't be possible could it? |
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Greenhorn question. If in fact that is struck through scrap, shouldn't the denticles and leaves be more pronounced on the scrap part? It looks just like a Cud, but the remaining denticles on the die couldn't be possible could it?
It kinda depends on just how the die shattered, and what happened to the pieces of the die once they broke off. Did it crack as one piece, and then fall away from the press? Or, did it shatter into many pieces, one or more of which stayed in the area to come into contact with a new planchet? I still lean towards it being a Cud, but Metalman's idea is another valid possibility. This deserves discussion, and input from others with knowledge of the process. |
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Is it possible that the Cud is so severe that the coin stuck to the die just long enough to fall out and partially rotate and get barely struck again? Hence the very light denticle marks? I'll shut up now and let somebody that knows tons more about it than me. |
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Mike purchased a coin very similar to this one from me a while ago. I had sent it to CONECA for error attribution and I think it was a considered a " Retained Cud". Mike has all of the paperwork, maybe he will be able to help here. |
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Here are a couple of "edge" views. It's a bit tricky getting things in focus, but I think between the two views we can see the rim area that would show if another piece of metal is pressed onto the coin. In visual inspection of the coin with a magnifying lens I see no sign of a boundary demarcating the planchet and a second piece of metal...but I'm not in the least experienced. I hope these photos help. Let me know if another view would be useful.   Edited by hunter20ga
04/07/2007 6:32 pm
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Wow this is a weird coin....very interesting. I think it's a big Cud. I don't think it was struck thru. Neat item, for sure. tradernick |
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your new photos do justice to it being a Cud,, the denticles showing are still very unique to a Cud ,, but if the piece pushed up but still was retained then it would not be impossible to see that effect. it is even possible I suppose that another coin on top of it could have made those denticles with that piece of the coin being slightly higher than the rim. I think you found yourself a winner !! Metalman |
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Wow! That is an awesome cherry pick!  Nice job! I agree also, looks like a Cud to me. Phoenix  |
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