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Pillar of the Community
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Have a look 350585835844Now my take is MS is MINT STATE ,.. so how can they say that Cleaned and corrosion can still be MS grade ? I have submitted coins to them that they gave AU55 or AU 58 cleaned which were luster loaded and when I asked Brian he said the cleaning drops it a .5 or a point ? yet he grades this ? what am I missing.... |
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Pillar of the Community
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jake I'm confused what doe that have anything to do with ICCS grading this coin MS ? As far as I'm concerned Cleaned and corrosion is not Mint State ?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Mint State meaning no wear.. If they have no wear (dipped and corroded), they are still Mint State
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Pillar of the Community
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sorry guys I totally disagree... dipped , cleaned corrosion is not Mint state ..Did they leave the Mint in that condition.. So then they are altered or damaged hence no longer Mint State , right?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The grades are a measure of wear... If there is no wear present.. then a coin is Mint State... Little wear means AU... etc.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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 No loss of detail due to friction.The damage is noted.Not a collectible coin IMO,caveat emptor. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
12/23/2012 11:44 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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MS to me also means the quality of the strike....that does not get affected by cleaning or corrosion. MS-60 for this coin is fine as long as they state its cleaned and corroded.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 Keep in mind Sid that the Canadian King George V nickels (1922-1936)are one of the toughest series to grade of all Canadian coins. Simply being that they are notorious for their weak strike making the King's Portrait always look sub-standard! Glenn  |
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Ya Glenn I got all that , but I just cant see myself calling a coin with corrosion MS ..The surface is no longer what it was and if any of the high points are affected by the corrosion then that in itself takes away the grade...
I have seen and sent coins way way nicer than this that were without a doubt MS but due to cleaned or so they said they downgraded them ?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Definite signs of wear on the high points, AU at best.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 All Mintstate coins graded by I.C.C.S. that have problems generally default to an MS-60 grade. With that said, this '32 nickel would have probably been an MS-62/63 had it not had corrosion or a cleaning. The fields look like they have few contact marks and the leaves on the look like a they have strong detail. Glenn  |
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Canada
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I agree with glenzy1 with ICCS grading practices I have a 1900 Canadian large cent that I sent in for grading that I thought would get no less than MS-64 it came back MS-60 cleaned
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well thats quite possible but with that scratch near his chin its just another reason why it should not be as such..... Maybe my expectations of MS are to high....
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Maybe my expectations of MS are to high.... No matter how hard you squint at an MS details coin that has problems, it won't ever look mint state. As others have said, I agree with the idea that the grade should signify wear (or a lack thereof) from circulation. |
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You also have to remember that ICCS uses technical grading . The US services use an "eye appeal" system .
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