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My wife took me holiday shopping at the local coin shop and she found this for herself:) Its her first Roman.
I will be posting my new roman later; she will not let me have it until X-mas. I haven't figured out how she hers right away, but I have to wait.

Anyway. Here is Constantine I, O: FL VAL CONSTANTINVS PF AVG, Rx: GENIO IMPERATORIS, K-P in Field, Crescent above K, Officia A above P. ALE (Alexandria) mint. Sear New Millennium Edition # 15910; not sure about the RIC#. Its 25mm and 6.41 grams.

BTW, all that green is just patina, not BD:)

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Nice coin. I haven't ever seen that one before.
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Welcome Mrs TJ to ancient coin collection. Very nice coin for your first ancient.
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*wolf-whistle*

=> Lookin' good, Mrs TJ!!






... ooops, where are my manners?!!

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A great starter coin - beautiful green patina.

And its even blurred out Genius' privates for you!
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Great looking coin
Really liking the Alexandria style.
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Very nice indeed! I like the style too.
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Very nice Coin!
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Very nice first coin. Awesome ruler Mrs. TJ.
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nice new constantine... hope mrs TJC enjoys it!

does this obverse type remind anyone else of freddy mercury?

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I don't have this in Constantine but offer for comparison this Licinius. Note how the portraits are more than a little similar. I do not know if the die cutter would ever have seen either guy or if there is some better explanation for this other than portraits were not as much realistic as they were formal.

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Chrsmat71 my wife I concur. Looks just like Freddy!
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Mrs. TJsCoins, What a nice start to Ancients, well centered, nice details a a lite green patina, ... to Ancients and I can't wait to see what Mr. TJsCoins got for Christmas too...
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Doug:) That Licinius does have a very similar look. Maybe the portraits were done by the same die cutter? Nice Licinius! The patina is great; very attractive!

Your coin and my coin were made at a different workshops in the same Alexandria:) Yours at the beta (#2) workshop and mine at the alpha (#1) workshop. Do you know what the K-P in the fields refers to?

Also, I used the "move the coin foreward from the background" suggestion from you to photograph this coin. Thanks for that! I like the results!
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 Posted 12/24/2012  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is why I like coins and why most people ignore my boring posts. There is a lot we don't know and more that we are unsure as to details. RIC ignores mention of things they don't know. Failmezger (a strange book I find useful which has great photos if I did take them myself ) suggested KP might be K=20 (Greek numeral) and P pondus (weight) so it is a denomination or standards mark. Near that time there are coins with PR (Pondus Restitutum); XK (perhaps 10:20) All this leave me unconvinced but Victor was willing to put guesses properly disclaimed in his book which is better than ignoring it as did RIC. I suspect he is right that they are value marks but I'm not clear on the details. Short answer: We don't know for sure.

This KP issue was done for seven rulers in three sections. My coin is given first in RIC and has no extra symbol in the field. Your wife's coin is last with the crescent which they point out started before Galerius died but continued after (making the ones in his name with that symbol less numerous). In the middle there is a more scarce set with a star in place of the crescent. Diocletian got in on the act in his rank of retired Augustus. I don't have the set but I'll attach a couple here for your attributing pleasure.

Here is where people get in trouble cataloging their coins by ruler when they were issued as a group by all the then current people in power (active, Caesars, retired and a wife). When you lay all the coins out together, some things make sense. Remember we are talking about Alexandria mint here and all the other mints were busy doing things their way which is not the same as this. US collectors who assume the same exact coin with an S, D, O, CC or whatever often miss the point when we talk about ancients of this period.

In the name of Our Lord the Most Blessed Diocletian
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Galerius matching my Licinius (sorry I don't have one with a star to show)
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As first coins go, your wife got a good one. If I saw it for a fair price, I'd buy it without question. As the new guy in town and not really all that favored by the senior powers, Constantine's coins of this issue are less numerous and could be worth more to specialists than coins like my Galerius and Licinius. I hope your coin is equally nice and equally interesting. You know I am not a fan of RIC numbers and rarity ratings but see if you agree hers is RIC 140 page 682 (Scarce). It dates to 311 AD just following the death of Galerius.

Not wanting to scare you but... I know relatively few women collectors but the ones I do know tend to be better at it (more organized, smarter?). I hope next year she asks you for a set of RIC for her birthday.
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great looking coin
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