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Pillar of the Community
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I recently won an auction these Barber dimes on ebay described as VG-VF and the seller I noticed faced them all down and used the same picture for three other auctions. He did have a return policy so I didn't have much to lose. Problem is when I explained to him why I wanted to return them, he went on an attack sending multiple emails where he called me all sorts of names, cursed me out, and made threats. He ordered items off my seller account just to leave me negative feedback and after all the abusive messages, ebay told me not to send the one buy it now coin he bought. I ended all the other auctions he bid on. I reported this to ebay several times. I now have negative feedback from him he left before even being able to leave him feedback since he was a Powerseller. Now he is calling me a "welfare bum" because I escalated the case to buyer protection because he threatened not to refund my money even though the coins were returned. What happened after all that? He was bumped up to Top Rated Plus. How can this occur, sellers can blatantly attack buyers and just get away with it? ebay said they were going to take action but I don't think so. I know all this occurred because he said he was sent coins that were all AG/G except on VG and one VG-damaged and claimed they were VG-VF and I wanted to return them. How can he blatantly attack other seller accounts with another member id? ebay said they were going to remove the feedback he left but it still just sits there. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have experienced a crazy person pre 2006 (that"s when I ended my dealings with ebay) that was many times worse than your experience, to the point that the seller (from Wis.) had googled directions to my home address (NY) and threatened all sorts on nonsense. The end result was legal action, and after receiving notice from my lawyer, backed off and ebay removed the negative feedback after I forwarded everything that had happened. That was a real eye opener and I never let any other transactions esculate near that level and just blocked bidders... |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The ebay feedback system has become a major joke. Also has their rating system of sellers. The more you sell, the more ebay likes you. I would always ask the seller for better photos if those in the listing are not to your liking. If they won't, there are plenty of sellers that will and I would spend my money with them. Why take a chance and go through the aggravation of returns and dealing with a rude seller. |
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Right, it was a real eye-opener. I had good experiences buying coins with just samples of coins or bad pictures but just hit a bad one. At least ebay removed the negative feedback today. All this over a dollar face of junk silver that was suppose to be VG-VF. He simply didn't want to return them and give back the money. This seller looks to have been around for a while so this may be someone still acting like pre-2006 like Broken-Coin was talking about. I have always heard of nuts on ebay but this is my first experience with one. First he gives me all sorts of problems with returning them and just wanted to verify these weren't what he claimed and he freaked out and started all this. I verified what these coins were here just to double check. I think he knew that these were not VG-VF coins since he told me not to open them and just send them back refused. He said he could get more for them and they went to cheap which wasn't true at all. I got my money back via buyer protection since he threatened not to refund me after so many days and it was during the holidays. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Sadly there are just crazy vindictive people out there. Stay in touch with ebay and make sure you do all the emails through ebay and dont delete them so they can see them when you talk to them. They should at least clear his stuff off your account and then block him. Please share the name too so that others can block him and prevent this from happening again. Overall once its fixed I wouldnt worry about it or let it ruin ebay for you. I'm sure we all have stories like that. I had a buyer threaten to sue me when I wouldnt refund their shipping cost (did refund the item) when the item was returned to me because they said that it wasnt their job to go to the post office and pick up their own mail when they werent home when they tried to deliver it. Just crazy people out there sorry you ran into one though |
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United States
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Should I share the member ID here? Actually he has two. One is his seller account and the other only has three feedbacks, I know at least 2/3 of those were given negative feedback, one stated they received it with no contact from them. I know my instance, I received an item nowhere near what was described and attacked when I wanted to return them. They claimed they were VG-VF Barber dimes, received 2 AGs, 1 VG, 1 VG-damaged, and the rest Gs. I received verification of this here in the classic grading section. You can just PM me if you want both of their member IDs, one he used to attack and the other used to sell. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I dont see anything wrong with posting it here, its been done before. Ill send you a message later on though, fingers crossed he doesn't find my ebay and I dont find him lol. Any updates? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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To many variables and opinions with grades....
Personally I think the big error here was buying coins with fishy pics of reverse only....
Time an money to list an your error is red tape to seller. But none the less I would have refunded you with no questions asked and took the buyer is always right attitude and moved on. Been there an done that-when I get it back the way it left I refund all money. But I ain't everybody and can't control the 10% of bad that ruins for the 90% of the good.....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here are the VG-VF dimes: https://goccf.com/t/136677I verified it to make sure of the "subjective" argument didn't apply. You live and learn about fishy pictures. I have bought lots that worked out well where only samples were provided or you could just see an old grade from a collector or dealer that look to be correct just because of the age of the 2x2, you know someone didn't just mark it that way. Anyhow, I just saw that someone bought an identical listing and left positive feedback. Maybe he just unloaded the junk to me or maybe the other buyer didn't know better? He claims to have a return policy but when you return something, he attacks you and your seller account as well calling you a "welfare bum". Thought it was fishy he bid on my auctions and bought a buy it now when he stated "you have the crappiest coins on ebay and you return my dimes"? Really I am the bum when you list something as one thing, conceal the actual coins, and attack them for wanting a refund? I can't believe he actually called me a welfare bum that scammed him and ebay in his feedback response. I was told by ebay though not to stoop to his level and simply responded "Item returned-nowhere near as described, left tracking with ebay". He got his dimes back today and I got my money back through buyer protection. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The negative attack is UNBEALAVABLE, but is it really as some people are real idiots period? I can't get over his vindictive nature to buy and thrash with INACCURATE NEGS must because you returned the junk dimes.... That is the ultimate RED TAPE bs ebay nightmare.... I once sent wrong bars to two different buyers. The guy who got 10 an bought 5 was more then helpful believe it or not, and the guy who got 5 and paid 10 left neg before I could fix. All parties were refunded or proper bar sold in the end, but it was a similar nightmare. All my fault.... And later the guy who had bought ten wanted refund, so I had to resale. First to NON payer, then to guy who claimed it was lost in transit, so I was gonna BUY that 10 constitution ship bar regardless, all over one simple label mix up.... Edited by Silverhawk74
12/28/2012 5:09 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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This is one of the best reasons to have separate buyer and seller accounts, no chance of FB retaliation  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Absolutely separate accounts, I created a new account just to sell but there is also an issue with all my feedback is in one account. I recently changed my username just because I wanted to and now I have to wait to change it. I should contact ebay and see if I can change it now, then I have to figure out what account to use for what. I should use the new account just to buy and change the primary account's username. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Right, now I simply re-listed the same item he purchased to retaliate to see if he does it again, then I will simply report it again. ebay found in my favor that he did in fact use a different account to retaliate against me by buying a low cost item and leaving feedback. You can see from the link, these were not VG-VF dimes and he had an issue because I called him on it and wanted a refund. If I hadn't asked for a refund and left him positive feedback, no problem. He told me "if you think this is bad, you haven't seen nothing yet" and before he stated "I would slap you silly but you would cry like a b****. You are a spineless coward". |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wow, some people have no heart, or no decency.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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There's no excuse for this shoddy behavior towards collectors.  Seriously, you should add this guy to CCF's "Discouraged Sellers" thread.  Update--I saw where he called you a "welfare bum"-- what a tool.   Your feedback speaks for itself! You might try selling here on CCF--I have had nothing but positive experiences buying/selling. Edited by DVCollector
12/29/2012 6:27 pm
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Posted 12/26/2012 1:23 pm
