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I'm looking at Roman Republic Denarius' and I'm seeing many with notched edges. Is this considered damage or were these coins struck with these edges? I'm thinking that someone harvested silver from these coins by cutting pieces out much like the con men did with 19th century U.S. reeded edge silver coins. Is this a correct assumption?


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 Posted 12/26/2012  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope.... They were made that way to discourage clipping, much like the reeded edges on early US coins
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 Posted 12/26/2012  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice Roman Republic coin.
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Wow => that's a gorgeous coin (ummm, is that the hero's dog, greeting his return?)

... by the way, I have a couple of these cool Roman Republics with the pop-bottle edging (it's a very nice looking addition to your collection) ...

=> well done!!

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This is an interesting type, but it does have a poorly struck reverse. I would still buy this coin ifbthe pricevwas right.
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The reverse shows Odysseus returning from his journeys (The Odyssey) in such bad shape that only his loyal old dog Argos recognized him. The dog, then over 20 years old, wanted to greet his master but Odysseus could not acknowledge him since he was hiding his identity from the suitors. The dog then died (broken heart?).

The coin is a typical example of a weight adjusted flan scooped out to reduce the flan. I have shown these several times since I do not consider them damaged but most people do. Some are more extreme than others. This one was mostly flattened by a strong strike but the flan was too thin to fill the die where the scoop was made.

Some may recall this Odysseus type was posted here about two weeks ago. It is a great type.
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Very nice looking bottle cap. Just kidding very nice coin, congrats.
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One more question on these edges. If you are offered two coins of the same type, one with the serrated edge and the other without and all else equal (grade, detail, centering, and price) would you pick the one with the serrated edge or the one with the plain edge?
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I would pick both as long as they are real. The serrated edge one first since I don't have one yet.
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All things equal? I would take the serrated edge.
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If a coin was issued with serrated edge and you find one with plane edge, chances are that your coin is fake. You may find some with deeper or more shallow cuts but you should not find the same type with and without.
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Thanks guys, sounds like if it has serrated edge then all coins of that design type should have serrated edges. A lot to learn in this field and glad there are experts here to steer us in the right direction.
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nice coin
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There are some exceptions to the rule but in general if a coin was issued with serrated edges then they should generally appear with serrated edges. The real exceptions are VERY rare and have been determined by die matching etc.. In general such an occurrence would be a modern fake.
Some modern fakes copy the serrations too.
By the way, the flan edge was cut before the coin was struck.
Martin
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