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1878-S Eye Spike. Help VAMming Please.

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 Posted 12/27/2012  12:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Reverse with an unbroken r in trust.

1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.

Obverse with eye spike and broken fourth star. The star looks like it is minimally broken. I'll enlarge photo if not large enough... Also has extra metal above the letter p.


1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.

In hand, there are three spikes; one above this that extends beyond the eyelid, this one and one below it but above the bottom eyelid.
1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.

1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.

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 Posted 12/27/2012  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the letter p with extra metal:


1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.


Okay, it is hard to see. It is on the top of the p, directly above the letter, on the left. if you can't see it, I'll try again tomorrow.

I had thought I had vammed it but that one did not have a broken 4th right star.

Any help is appreciated!
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12/27/2012 12:49 am
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 Posted 12/27/2012  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it a long nock?
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hard to see if its a LN. You have a full R in trust, Broken star (slight-but broken).A close up of eagles right wing engraved feather or larger picture of obv and rev. Good luck.
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Broken star:

1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.


Right feather...engraved? Honestly, I don't have enough experience to call it either way.

1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.

Thanks Morganhead!




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Short nock:


1878-S-Eye-Spike.--Help-VAMming-Please.
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12/27/2012 3:24 pm
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The images really need to be much cleaner than the compressed ones they post here. However with that said, I think it's a 1B VAM, but to verify this count the reeds. The reed count can be 186 for the early dies and 184 for the later dies. But I really must say the pictures are no where they need to be for a definitive VAM determination.

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The images really need to be much cleaner than the compressed ones they post here. However with that said, I think it's a 1B VAM, but to verify this count the reeds. The reed count can be 186 for the early dies and 184 for the later dies. But I really must say the pictures are no where they need to be for a definitive VAM determination.

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 Posted 12/27/2012  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fatman, I checked VAM 1b but did not see any eye spikes. Can you help me with your reasoning? Thanks.
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Kelly, I think you have a VAM 29. check VW's page for a positive ID.It might be PMD on the spike thing. I always say the engraved feather is key for the 1878-S vams. I study this date/mint and have a copy of LVA's Guide to 1878-S coins. Its a must for me.And it makes me look smarter than I really am. It's the only year that the mints engraved the working dies.It was to put detail back into the die ater basining or polishing.This was a shallow spot on the die and lost detail easily. The Philly Mint did in 78 as well. Good Hunting
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Shoot , forgot to say that most (or a good many) of the 78-S coins have a unique engraved feather. Some share a few obverse dies. The LN's dont have an engraved feather and are B1 reverses. Look at the full coin shot for the 1878-S VAM 1G. This is whats called a normal feather.When you see an un-engaved feather, look for the LN.If its not a LN keep looking, because the unengraved feathers seem to be a little more rare.JMHO
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I think you are right Morganhead. It matches the description of the VAM 29 except for the spike. Is the p broken on top of the VAM 29? I cannot tell from the pictures. I'll look on my ipad where I can easily enlarge the pic.
Thanks again for your help.
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 Posted 12/27/2012  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Kelly It looks like the P is the same on your coin. It also has a gouge on the top of the you in pluribus that goes to the denticles.
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