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So, I finally got some. And after practicing on some common-date wheats, I got down to business: the 1906 IHC I first bought it for. The coin in question had a GORGEOUS dark brown patina--much darker than I usually see, almost the colour of mahogany--and if not for the verdigris, would easily make AU (before treatment, I could tell you the word LIBERTY on the headband was complete; now I can tell you there are also two diamonds on the ribbon).

Now: the verdigris. This poor coin was so overgrown, if a little spot was a verdigris houseplant, this IHC was living in the middle of the verdigris jungle. I didn't take pictures beforehand, but suffice to say, entire letters and sections of wreath were gone, and I could only assume the areas underneath were hopefully not all that damaged. Amazingly, with the bulk of the verdigris gone, I've discovered a coin that's not damaged at all . . . except . . .

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY PATINA? The whole coin is easily three shades lighter than before, some of the high areas on the wreath even appearing red (it's kinda cool, actually, almost makes them look gilded, but--WHAT?). I was bracing myself for light spaces under the verdigris, which I saw both in BadThad's ads and also on one of the gankier wheats. That's not the case here. Instead THE ENTIRE COIN has lightened to a regular chocolate brown, with a little reddishness showing through evenly over the coin.


Was there seriously a patina of dead verdigris over the entire coin?! Verdicare is supposed to be inert and I haven't used anything else, so--say WHAAAA? Am I going to have to worry about this on some of my other IHC and old-old wheats that need cosmetic surgery?
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 Posted 01/02/2013  06:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did it soak, or did you use a q-tip applicator?
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I believe Verdicare does this to coins - the before/after pictures sometimes look a bit lighter on the after side. A necessary sacrifice, I believe.

Perhaps post before/after pictures and wait for Thad to comment?

Oh, and if you no longer want your verdicare, a little birdy tells me a UK collector has been looking for some..
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ninamason, how about posting a photo please? You may want to PM BadThad for his take on this issue.
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I have heard others comment that IHC's don't do as well as Lincolns do with Verdicare. Did you rub the coins to remove the verdigris? I think the coins should first be soaked in acetone before using Verdicare. This process of soaking may take weeks/months depending on how bad the verdigris is. The acetone gives coins a dryed out look and I have also noticed Verdicare brings the gloss back to the coin.
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No way to say for certain without some before and after photos, but I think what you thought was patina was actually grime. What you have now is the real patina showing.
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Carmykle, a little of both. I set the coin on a paper towel (before anyone freaks out, this was to protect my nightstand from Verdicare--not to rub the coin with), then dotted Verdicare all over the top until it was puddled. After 15-20 minutes I soaked up the excess with one Q-tip, then very gently rubbed in the recommended circular motion with the other. A whooooooooole bunch of crap came off. Rinse (figuratively) and repeat, four times with the longest soak time being an hour. I'd say about 90% of the verdigris is gone, and what remains is all in hard-to-reach areas like the points between the headdress.

Ben: I'm keeping mine at least for now because I have quite a few coins that are seriously getting their verdigris on, but I got the big bottle, so if there's any left when I'm done you'll be the first to know.

John: I may well do that. Got some mid-treatment photos just now, uploading as I type. As I said, it doesn't look bad and actually looks pretty good--but certainly startling.

MDS, I didn't use acetone--that stuff scares me, especially since I work indoors (trust: you do NOT want your coins sitting outside in the Arizona dust). I have some nasties due for an acetone soak when I get to Houston, though, and I may save my older IHC until I can use the stuff.

Jbuck, looking at where I can still see it--inside the closed spaces in letters on the reverse--I think you may be right.


For your viewing edification: after pictures. (Sorry--I have no befores.) Imagine the whole thing about three shades darker and growing a big dark green beard. For reference? I have eight Q-tips sitting here coated in green crap, and as you can see there are still dots of it here and there that are going to require a good soaking. When you look at the reverse, take a close look at the tops of the wreath--that gold-red colour is what was underneath giant patches of verdigris. Unexpected colour change or not, I think this one can safely be moved out of my "Rescued Natives tribe" and into the "any beginner would be proud to own this" category.





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 Posted 01/02/2013  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is one nice looking IH

Now if you have some grim in the #'s or letters you can take a round sharp tooth pick and when it has soaked in the Verdicare for a while take the tooth pick and carefully pick away at it and then wipe with a Q-tip. Keep the tooth pick sharp with sandpaper.
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When you soak a coin in acetone you need to use a glass container with a lid. If you don't have a lid the acetone will quickly evaporate. I use an old mason jar and I use a paint stir stick to remove the coin. I do all this in my garage (attached to my house).
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I agree w/ jbuck. Once all the grime & verdigis was removed, you see the color the coin actually is. I use VerdiCare on ALL my coins. They always look better once dipped in Acetone & preserved using the VerdiCare.

Note: this was not a paid endorsement for VerdiCare
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ninamason,
Thanks for posting the pic. It looks real nice. Be extra careful with the toothpick,they can scratch.
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Simply put- your dark patina was all gunk
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mcshilling, thank you! I've already picked out some of the grime with the top of a straight pin--one of the ones with the teensy metal heads that have rounded edges. If you're careful to not touch the coin itself, this seems to work well. I used to use 'em for holding tiny bits of models in place when I built miniatures; I'm very familiar with using them for delicate work.

MDS, I'll have to see if my sis and bro-in-law are okay with me setting up a small worktable in their garage. Right now I live in a four-room apartment, so that's . . . not really happening. But all in good time, my pretty, as the green lady said.

Dave, it's all good. I'm wishing I'd taken a Before--how sweet would this look for Thad? It's incredible what was under there, undamaged!

John, thank you, and noted! If I switch over to toothpicks I will do that.

Upstate: I did another rub with a Q-Tip tonight and watched more "patina" lift. It's a shame that wasn't the true colour--it was, indeed, very beautiful--but I'm glad to have the lovely lady getting herself a bath.
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Gorgeous! I would be proud to own that IHC.
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Thanks for providing feedback on your VC experience!

As other experienced users have indicated, the true patina was hidden under a layer of gunk. VC simply removed what didn't belong.

Also, as others have stated, you have to very careful not to rub so hard that you take off the patina. I've had a couple coins that I got too aggressive with using a toothpick and rubbed off the brown in spots. It happens, it's all about the learning experience. The more you use VC, the better you'll get at conservation.
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Scurry, thanks! I like it. You can imagine how thrilled I was when the verdigris came off the ribbon and showed me the two diamonds underneath!

Thad: Noted! It's kind of incredible to me how ganky this looked before, now that I see what it should really look like.
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