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Valued Member
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
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As far as PMs are concerned everything being done for the economy is just window dressing. It could improve some if people buy into it and get lower prices, but as of now no real solutions are on the table
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The Fed will print until they run out of ink. It is a guarantee of higher PM prices to come.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Pm's went down even after announcing stimulus. Now it goes down after the thought of a hint of a possible ending to QE4. Such is life with PMs. Personally I don't see the end for PMs for a few years...at least not until the world gets their act together and clean up the mess we're in. And I'm sorry...not easy to pay off trillions of dollars....nope....long way to go. JMHO..DYODD.
Edited by samsnate 01/03/2013 8:07 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: And I'm sorry...not easy to pay off trillions of dollars....nope....long way to go. JMHO..DYODD. Short of a massive world war or alien invasion where we save our creditors and they forgive the debt we will never get the debt paid back down to 0 its just to large at this point
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 Just such an uphill climb of spending just to try and get things kick started and then mass spending cuts and debt repayment. Then you have a day like today where silver is down $1.50 in less than 12 hrs. I'm missing something here because I just don't get it. 
Edited by samsnate 01/03/2013 8:54 pm
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United States
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It is all just tactics to influence investment demand in PMs among other things.
So don't buy any more silver because its going to fall!
BTW those words were very hollow, just like this story.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Saw $29.50 tonight. I wonder what Friday brings?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Today, another negative reaction to the Fed statement. BUT also in conjunction with that move, the long bond is starting to die off. So one could look at that, and summarize that assets are flowing out of defensive positions such as PMs and Treasuries.
I do think PMs go lower from here. Is it because PMs are done and going back to zero? I don't think that, but I do feel that money is rotating out, and its going into the equity markets in a big way. (BTW, when I am talking about these inflows of cash into different assets, I am not referring about Bill and Mary Public and their money. Rather I am referring to the institutional money, money managers, hedge funds, asset management companies etc, these are the ones that move the market)
Now I realize many will disagree with this statement- Central banks print enough money and accommodative stimulus and it finally sticks, helping a fragile economy get out of the hole.
The fact is, things are slowly getting better. I know, hard to believe. Yes, I understand where you all are coming from.
However, none of us dictates where the prices of PMs go. That is the markets job. ... and the market I feel is saying, based on price action, that they want to lighten up on metals for the time being.
So while it appears that gold and silver are ready to continue grinding lower, there's a positive we can take out of this. There will be bargains. I can see the general public that just recently started to jump on PMs, will be dumping, and dumping in a big way as they once again, get messed up... doing the ole "buy at the top, sell at the bottom" sort of thing.
I believe we will be seeing this coming down the pike. Reason I say this, that while the equity markets grind up,the general public is not involved in them, rather they have gone to bonds and, sadly, bought PMs at the high price range. As it always goes, everyone gives up, and runs like a school fish to someplace else.
SO, lets just be patient and I believe we'll see the general public start down the road to dump gold and silver, even below spot just to dump their coins.
PS- one final point about gold. I feel going forward, its gained status as a currency, rather than a hedge. All this crazy printing of money at some point will have some sort of nasty problems and side effects... and thats where gold will show and shine as a currency that holds its value.
PSS- one last thought, look how FAR gold has come! from making an all time high of 800ish, dropping down like a rock from there, here we almost touched 2,000. Thats one heck of a run, so for it to pull back, grind, chop and go sideways and do nothing for a while would be a BEAUTIFUL thing,,, give it some time to rest!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Now I realize many will disagree with this statement- Central banks print enough money and accommodative stimulus and it finally sticks, helping a fragile economy get out of the hole. In controlled well planned manners printing money can certainly be a positive, our plan seems to be more carpet bombing though and hoping that if we throw enough money around it will finally do something. Quote: The fact is, things are slowly getting better. I know, hard to believe. Yes, I understand where you all are coming from. Thats true, probably would have done that anyway without any federal interventions once the initial panic of the crash wore off. Its funny how nothing can change, but perception alone can lead to better times. If people think its getting better it will as money starts to flow back into the economy and out from under the pillow so to speak. Personally I agree with you and everyone else. Perception is changing and that has made things somewhat better. But at the same time nothing has really changed as there is still no plan to address anything that got us to that point in the first place. Going long on PMs does seem to be a wise move, whether or not that means this is a good time to buy is a different story. The changed perception will likely mean lower prices for a time, but the slightest speed bumb could change that or some other bubble like student loans could burt.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes. There's no doubt that without all this Central Bank easing, mind u, EVERY SINGLE Central Bank around the world has done this, getting anything to stick and improve would be so utterly difficult. So its good that things are getting better slowly, I dont think anyone of us wants us to see things going to heck and imploding.
Nevertheless, at what expense have they done this? What side effects have taken place? What impact will we see down the road? Those things we;ll have to just wait and see.
While these prices are going to slide, PMs that is, I agree that going long, sticking to the course, adding a little bit and not using all your cash with PMs is still a good way to invest if that's your goal AND for collectors this drop in prices is going to be a boon,,, because there will be some sort of price drop and deals to be had, so be patient, use your cash sparingly and shop around!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I just visited 3-4 sites trying to find silver. There is little to no product out there. At what point will the paper silver market diverge from the physical silver world? I had 5 rolls of various date SAE's in my basket last week. Only one year is still available. I just went to Goldmart. They have very few items to pick from. I went to Monarch to look at bars. Sold out listed on many. When something is hard to find prices normally go up. It will be interesting to watch as I wait to make a big purchase.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: There is little to no product out there. Yea kind of a weird time, 2012 ASEs sold out and 2013 not out yet. With the lower prices too I'm sure some places are either pulling stock or only selling part of it to wait for the higher price to come back
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I must be missing something,,,, because I saw Silvertowne saying they have 2013s, mintproduts.com said come order, and I forget two other dealers online so Ima not sure about there being a shortage of coins. (oh also moderncoinmart.com was also talking about 2013s Silver Eagles.
What am I missing?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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So, gentle people, how are we to rationalize all of this central bank printing largess with their rapacious buying of gold? It's possible that a cynical view of their actions would be that they are madly printing their way to economic success but, if that fails, they will have vaults filled with gold and probably some silver too. But... do not worry yourselves about any of this because we will have massive amounts of freshly printed paper with which to console ourselves! Now, if only it will buy anything.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: I must be missing something,,,, because I saw Silvertowne saying they have 2013s The last I checked, they may have just gotten them, they were taking preorders for the 2013s with a mid to late January ship date
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