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Quite possibly it was a one-time thing.
SMLs occasionally get milk spots but that's about it. They are well recognised, and quite frankly I'd start to question their authenticity if they didn't have milk spots! (I'm not saying your coins had milk spots. But I do wish you had taken some pics to post here.)
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Part of the problem is that they are just packaged in a tube and not individually but if the tubes unopened its much more likely whatever damage was done happened from things that are out of the sellers control. Yes, IF the tube is unopened. Whether out of the sellers' control or not, there is a question of whether or not a seller stands behind what they sell. If they do, then great. If not, there are other vendors out there who do. Nothing but good service and fair prices compel any of us to buy from any particular vendor. |
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Yes, IF the tube is unopened. Whether out of the sellers' control or not, there is a question of whether or not a seller stands behind what they sell. If they do, then great. If not, there are other vendors out there who do. Nothing but good service and fair prices compel any of us to buy from any particular vendor.
Im really on the fence for this. For numismatic items absolutely should be replaced. For bullion items though they are giving you the 1 oz of bullion which is exactly what you ordered and they arent minting them themselves. A big seller would be wise to allow them to be sent back for replacements but at the same time I dont think theyd be doing anything wrong if they said if you want a perfect one get one thats graded. |
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Canada
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Milk spots dont bother me too much for stacking purposes but I want clean product for collecting purposes. When I put a set of them together always looking for the best of the best...but for the most part... silver is silver. Actualy selling some on CCF right now. Would like to hold them, but need the funds. A lot of them have started showing the signs of milk spots as well but they dont bother me. Still a nice coin.
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United States
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hey guys, been meaning to ask.... didnt the Maples used to come in sheets as well, just like pandas yes?
or did they do both., sheets and tubes....?
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...but at the same time I dont think theyd be doing anything wrong if they said if you want a perfect one get one thats graded. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that would be the last conversation between me and them. Others are free to do as they see fit, as do I. If I wanted visibly damaged coins, I would be buying 2nd hand ones and not NEW ones. But... to each their own. |
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Others are free to do as they see fit, as do I. If I wanted visibly damaged coins, I would be buying 2nd hand ones and not NEW ones. We probably have different ideas of what kind of shape the coin is in. I'm thinking more of minor issues like bag marks or the milk spots the RCM coins have not just pure garbage. If the mint put out batches that were so bad garbage coins were coming out it wouldnt be a problem local to to one seller either. Some of it too will depend on what kind of seller it is, if all they do is bullion they and the majority of their customers probably wouldnt care, if they do numismatic coins as well theyd probably be more understanding. |
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Yes maples did come in sheets of 10 and not in capsules like pandas. Some distributors have wildlife maples in sheets but its rare. I've never had a problem with sealed sheets from the mint.
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United States
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Hi Rock!
thanks for the reply, I thought so. going over my collection I have sealed sheets of maples and yea I have never had a problem with Silver MAples so I am surprised to hear about this problem.
That wildlife series is just AMAZING! I should have bought a roll of the most recent year but I think I am going to just buy a roll of the last issue of this series.
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We probably have different ideas of what kind of shape the coin is in. Heh heh... well, it wouldn't be the 1st time.  I am not expecting a perfect coin when I buy bullion and if a coin I bought had a "milk spot" or some other well known imperfection, that would not be a big deal, unless ALL of the coins I bought had the same problem. What I am referring to are coins that are visibly damaged... such as scratched, dented, or bent, as might occur because they were just dumped into a hopper or something that beat them up. Buying beat up coins is fine IF that is what one knows they are buying and they are paying a lower price for them simply for their metal content. Most of the on-line coin and bullion vendors have "culls" that they sell that are in this shape and they are the cheapest coins they have. The silver ASEs and Maples that I buy are all sold as "BU" grade. No, this is not an MS graded coin but it should still certainly be "nice" and not beat up. All IMHO, of course.  |
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Yup7676
Some years have a high premium, keep that in mind if you ever sell your sheets. Some people like me pay a little premium to get uncut sheets.
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I am not expecting a perfect coin when I buy bullion and if a coin I bought had a "milk spot" or some other well known imperfection, that would not be a big deal, unless ALL of the coins I bought had the same problem. What I am referring to are coins that are visibly damaged... such as scratched, dented, or bent, as might occur because they were just dumped into a hopper or something that beat them up. Buying beat up coins is fine IF that is what one knows they are buying and they are paying a lower price for them simply for their metal content. Its sounds like weve been saying the same thing and wording it differently I definitely agree if somehow the coin is chipped or bent or something extreme like that they should swap it and put that in their cull pile. Its the minor things that I dont think a seller should feel pressured into exchanging. Dont get me wrong I like great looking coins as much as the next person, but I dont think it would be fair to expect collector series quality for bullion prices |
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United States
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My very first purchase, I bought multiple tubes of these 2013 CSML from a very large well known online PM vendor and when looking closely was surprised how many coins had small scratch marks and/or a small ding mark. The source of problem appears to be the mfg process. I mean you search through and find a coin without any easily noticeable problems and wonder why they can't all be like this one?
Returning tubes to them within a few day for refund (minus any market loss the vendor suffered due to refund) was a possibility. However,as a new customer, I didn't want to risk ticking them off since it was my very first order with them.
Since then, I did buy a bunch of the 2013 Canada Wildlife Bison coins from same vendor and those seem to be consistently more pristine looking.
Done with buying more Maples for now...
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Welcome to CCF (literally) and "welcome to the club" (both literally and figuratively)!
CSMs are reknowned for two things--manufacturing/transit damage and milk spots. If/when you get CSMs that are literally unflawed (no dents, dings, scratches,
flaws or imperfections of any kind and above all else--no milk spots), that's a really rare day and a coin to be treasured. The highest-raised portion of the
Queen's cheekbone is generally the most common area to have abrasions caused during transit when the coins are bouncing around inside the tube. The
flat open areas on both surfaces of CSMs are frequently wavy, instead of flat and mirror-like. Etc, etc, etc, ad infiniutm...
The bottom line is that CSMs are low-premium (well--at least they used to be low-premium), low-end, mass-produced silver bullion coins and it's not realistic
to expect them to look like proofs or some fancy, high-premium, "semi-numis" bullion coin. Not gonna happen. The old saying "an ounce of silver is an ounce
of silver" was never truer than it is with CSMs.
You're right that quality control on CSMs is the worst. ASEs, Libertads and Philharmonics (at least in my experience) come through in better shape than CSMs.
Your story is pretty much everybody's story, but returning them would be an exercise in futility. What you described is pretty much the way they almost
always are. I put up with it with CSMs, but I did return the 2013 1.5oz silver Polar Bears--when I pay an $11/oz premium, I expect unflawed coins and
nothing else will be acceptable. With the CSMs though, "that's life..."
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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For me, it all depends on why I'm buying them. I bought a single Silver Maple with a special dragon privy as part of my growing collection of foreign bullion, and I would have been extremely disappointed had it arrived with any sort of imperfection whatsoever.
On the other hand, I purchased an entire monster box of regular Silver Maples a year ago purely for stacking purposes and haven't even bothered to open up the individual tubes to look at the coins -- I honestly don't care what they look like or what shape they're in since they are basically just disks of silver as far as I'm concerned.
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