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Henry V Groat - Unidentified Reverse

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Hello, I believe this coin is a Henry V groat, Spink 1762B (mullet to right of breast). However the reverse appears different than any I have checked online.

A)The N in LON and DON are different shape.
B)There are no crosses after CIVI and DON.
C)Appears to be 4 annulets, 1 in center of each set of 3 pellets.

The coin is heavily clipped with none of the outer legend visible.
Any ideas?, thanks in advance.

Henry-V-Groat---Unidentified-Reverse

Henry-V-Groat---Unidentified-Reverse
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 Posted 01/15/2013  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin has the Roman N's, which were replaced by the Lombardic N's sometime during the reign of Henry V. This article refers to the subject:
http://www.britnumsoc.org/publicati...NJ_30_12.pdf
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Thanks philadelphian, I've downloaded the document, thanks for your input +++++
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Here's a good write-up, that notes that the class B and C Henry V groat obverses (which can have the mullet at the right shoulder) can be found muled with reverses of Henry IV groats (which have the Roman N's) and presumably, could also be muled with reverses of the class A Henry V groats (which also have Roman N's).
http://www.vosper4coins.co.uk/ivanbuck/buck-2.htm

The pics also show how the double saltires (x's) appear after the Lombardic N's, but not the Roman N's.
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haha nice coin,

looks a bit like a penny after all that clipping :p
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Thanks a million (groats) philadelphian, thats a nice easy read, very informative.
{with the, mullet to the right of the breast. The scowling bust also occurs muled with pieces of Henry IV}

Thanks ACUK-coins, I know the standard coin circulating here in the later years of Henry VI's reign was the clipped English groat, some heavily clipped that the outer legend was completely missing with only the kings face visible on the obverse.



Henry-V-Groat---Unidentified-Reverse

I have included a pic from previous coins in exact same area, (top left 1. Henry VI groat Calais S1859, 2. Edward III groat York S1572, 3. Henry VI halfgroat S1839, 4. Henry VI groat Calais S1836, 5. Henry VI penny Calais S1845, 6. Henry VI halfgroat Calais S1840)
Date range 1354-1431
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"The standard coin circulating here..." Would that be Ireland, then? Metal detecting finds? Don't answer that if it would get you in trouble. Could you tell us what county, out of curiosity?
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Yes, then, and I dont wash my hands very often.
I buy from ebay isoquip and other auction sites online and private auction houses, mainly hammered coins.
I sold quite a few milled coins last year, ALL of them I purchased over the years, I'm currently purchasing rarer Irish issue hammered with the funds as I believe they are undervalued currently (latest Spink price guide is 2003)and they are all from an interesting part of Irish history.
Finally my best read book is "FOR WANT OF GOOD MONEY - the story of Ireland's coinage" by Edward Colgan.
Sorry if I shouted the name of the book.........I did not mean to do so Louth-ly.
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