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Why Should I Invest In Precious Metals?

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 Posted 01/16/2013  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There is much due diligence that needs to be done BEFORE risking your money on a stock.


Agreed, the stock in question is fairly solid but revenue is down. That may just be more because coins in general are down and the bullion market is the one thats doing well which doesn't really help them a lot for the most part. Their sports card arm has taken the worst beating by far during this economy. I dont think theyd be a bad play, but they certainly wouldnt be who I would pick as my safe dividend pay off, theyd be more of a long term play that could pay off well with an economic turn around.

For a dividend pay off that Id be putting a large chunk of my money into I really would just stick to things that will always be needed in our life time like an Exxon or at the very least well established giants Coke or Mcdonalds come to mind too. If they crash we have much bigger problems
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 Posted 01/20/2013  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Collectors universe is paying a 12% dividend because its stock structure returns most of its profits to its investors, and they make a nice chunk of change grading peoples coins. They have huge amounts of cash on hand (for the size of the company) that they're sitting on as well. Most dividend stocks took a dip after the presidential election and the budget crisis because of the tax increase that people alluded to in previous posts.
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For a dividend pay off that Id be putting a large chunk of my money into I really would just stick to things that will always be needed in our life time like an Exxon or at the very least well established giants Coke or Mcdonalds come to mind too. If they crash we have much bigger problems

Agreed. Altria (aka Philip Morris) is also good with a dividend of about 5.6% and a large slice of their income coming from outside the US. The so-called "sin stocks", which are mostly booze and tobacco companies, tend to do well even in a recession.


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Collectors universe is paying a 12% dividend because its stock structure returns most of its profits to its investors

Interesting. That makes it sound somewhat like a REIT.


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Most dividend stocks took a dip after the presidential election and the budget crisis because of the tax increase that people alluded to in previous posts.

Yes, they did. People were talking about taxes on cap gains going to 40% or more, which is nuts, IMO, but that was enough to create some panic in the market... not that it takes a lot to that these days.

Another thing that happened is that a lot of us sold shares to realize profits in 2012, rather than in 2013. Taxes ARE higher this year than last and that was pretty clear, even if the size of the increase was not. I pulled some money from my IRA in late December so that it would be taxed at the lower 2012 rates. Wanted to do that anyway to get some money out of the paper-based financial system and into a more solid anti-inflation long-term investment.
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 Posted 01/20/2013  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The stock being mentioned that has a large yield has all sorts of problems. It doesn't matter what the supposed issue is, whether it be low revenues, low sales, etc etc etc. None of it means a single thing. The price action is telling you all you need to know....THe market is speaking volumes by putting it at 52 lows. As was stated by another member, stocks at 52 lows are there for a GOOD reason. The next risk is that the high yield divy gets cut, and guess what your stock goes even lower. As a trader, I would be selling short CLCT, as the 52 low signals to me a trend has been put in place.

Not a single stock is safe in the markets, no amount of DD will save a stock when insider problems happens. Stocks should not be held forever without some sort of profit taking.

The bottomline is the stock market is a game. do you want to win in the worlds greatest game? Winning doesn't mean you have to buy stocks to make money, you also sell short. Therefore everyone that puts money into the market should be actively managing and rotating their stocks when they signal their run is over... because the market leaders are always changing. and finally, to WIN the game, you first must manage and know your risk. You WILL lose money in the stock market. Also realize there are times to be in the market and times NOT to be in the market. Unless you can take a hands on approach with your money and actively manage it, you will never get the most out of the stock market. Even if you manage to make big gains in a stock, then many regret not selling and proceed to hold a winning stock that turns into a dog. All the time meantime, the market was giving LOUD and CLEAR signals to exit and take profits.

Therefore consider your losses, consider your RISK before you consider how much you are going to make.

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 Posted 01/20/2013  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Should you invest in gold? That depends on where you are financially and if you can afford to lose the money you invest. Before investing in precious metals I would:

1: Save $1000 in an emergency fund
2: Pay off all debts except your mortgage
3: Invest in a 401K or IRA. I recommend a simple Vanguard Targeted Fund for a beginner investor.
4: Increase your emergency fund to 6 months expenses

Then and only then would I invest in precious metals. As others have said, commodities can swing wildly in value. I invested $1000 in silver a little more than a year ago and lost 20% of my investment in a year. It was fun money so the loss didn't bother me that much. However, if I really needed the money, the last place I would put it is gold.
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 Posted 01/24/2013  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EPete to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too am curious about precious metals. I have see many articles advising on the urgency of purchasing PM due to the state of the US and global economy and based on the history of fiat currencies. I hope to find some advice here on what others think and about where to securely purchase from and where the best place to keep it. Thanks!
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Agreed. Altria (aka Philip Morris) is also good with a dividend of about 5.6% and a large slice of their income coming from outside the US. The so-called "sin stocks", which are mostly booze and tobacco companies, tend to do well even in a recession.


When things are bad people definitely seem to turn to vices for comfort. Anhieser Bush or how ever you spell it would have been great a couple years ago.


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I have see many articles advising on the urgency of purchasing PM due to the state of the US and global economy and based on the history of fiat currencies


Take those articles with a grain of salt, theyre more than likely written by people with financial interests in PMS or selling them
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U.S. debt $16 Trillion and climbing. How will they pay this off without creating money out of thin air, devaluing every dollar you have?


Very few people hold dollars. When I get dollars, within days they are turned into food, clothing and electricity. The rest is turned into stocks, land and other hard assets (PM's included). And just like stocks, PM's are priced in dollars. People need to wrap their head around a dollar is simply a trading vehicle and makes "bartering" easier.

Yes they can inflate the dollar, but if your investments and wages are keeping up, that's the best silver and gold will do at this point anyway.

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$500? I'd put it in food and ammo.
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You're making a very common mistake. Don't take the all or nothing approach. It's not like all of the money has to go into a CD or into precious metals. Why not keep some in savings (not a CD - you want access to your funds) and part of it in silver? At 0.35 percent interest, tying up your money in a CD is a worst of all worlds proposition.

Silver is a better value than gold at current prices, and it's much more divisible. Why buy gold or silver? Just check real world price inflation/depreciation of the dollar during the last 50 years.
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Stooges sums it well- you dont have to put all that money into gold and silver... as he says, the all or nothing, the "ima hit a home run" thinking is what gets everyone in trouble.

The best thing would be to nibble here and there on gold and silver and see how it goes. No reason to go all out.
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"Just check real world price inflation/depreciation of the dollar during the last 50 years."

No need. I can just refer to my own memory of those events.
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