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Why Should I Invest In Precious Metals?

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 Posted 01/15/2013  5:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ok so I'm looking to invest some money and am considering to invest in precious metals possibly.

Now why should I invest in precious metals? I understand that precious metals is a way to preserve wealth. But now look at this site...

http://www.nma.org/pdf/gold/his_gold_prices.pdf

With my current minimum wage job in 2013 I could of bought an ounce of gold at 1850 prices. As gold goes up minimum wage goes up.

Now lets say that the dollar collapses all my paper cash will become worthless. However in order to regain any wealth I would need a significant amount of gold. Someone like me wouldn't be able to buy enough gold to preserve a significant amount of wealth.

I'm also not betting on the dollar collapsing tomorrow but in probably a couple of decades.

Now I was looking at CDs - certificate deposits

With bank of america
Opt-Up™CD - 18 Month Term
If I put 10k in to this at .35 rate I would make... that would be 630 dollars of free money for just leaving 10k in a bank for 18 months

this seems like a better option for me because I doubt gold will go up 630 dollars in 18th months

i know it's more worthless cash but it's a higher gain

please help me understand why I should invest in pm
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 Posted 01/15/2013  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yakman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a financial advisor but I do invest $ and I do have pm - Silver. But before I put my $ into metal, I had taken other steps first. Funding my 401(k), having a diversified porfolio of stocks & bonds, cash in an emergency fund (a must if you follow investing advice from Suzie Ormon) and I have a auto deposit to savings. I used my investment into pm as part of an overall way to diversify my investments. I would not invest in pm only.
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 Posted 01/15/2013  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDCrow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will let others chime in on the reasons for/against investing in precious metals, but I'll have to point that you most certainly will not earn $630 on an 18 month CD that is earning 0.35% annually. If the interest rate stays at that rate for the duration, you are looking at a gain of $50.

That same $10,000 in gold, which would buy you more than 5 ounces, would have to increase less than $10 an ounce over 18 months to net the same gain.
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U.S. debt $16 Trillion and climbing. How will they pay this off without creating money out of thin air, devaluing every dollar you have?
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You need to recalculate your interest earned. I believe you used 3.5% instead of 0.35%. If you have $10000 at 0.35% you would only earn about $35 per year (simple interest but that ok for this little amount). Now if you believe interest rates are going up, it becomes harder to hold PM's.
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 Posted 01/15/2013  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDCrow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You would have to find a CD with more than a 4% return to reach a $600+ gain on your $10,000 investment.
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I had 1 000 000 yen, about $13K ... couple of months ago Japan started to print big ... now I have the same 1 000 000 yen, but $12K ... lost $1k

what CD should I find? ))) <rhetoric question>
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PCGS's parent company Collectors universe (ticker symbol CLCT) is paying a 12% dividend and is near its 52 week low at the moment. If I had spare cash that I was looking to invest long term id either throw it there or in uranium industry stocks.
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When I ever put any of my money to work, the first thing I ask myself is- what is my risk.

So, going with CD's is going to give you less risk. Sure, its going to be paltry on returns but you;ll have your original investment.

If you buy PMs, you should understand that they are a volatile commodity. Sure they have had impressive returns. But you could also buy them and find the value of your gold purchase or silver, go in the toilet or move higher. Are you prepared for that?

So if you buy gold and silver, what is your reason? Well I agree with the other member who said you do it to diversify and nothing more. I also want to note that PMs should NOT be purchased ONLY because they are the ultimate safe haven, that's not really proper and the markets have shown to disconnect from that. Rather gold is now considered as another alternate currency, especially in a global economy where many central banks in asia, europe and here are weaking them.


I also should think that tax implications would be something to consider when you purchase gold and silver. They do fall under a higher tax rate UNLESS you can access the futures market or use vehicle such as an exchange traded note or commodity ETF that relies on futures contracts to lower your tax costs.

I'll skip the dollar conversation. Long story short- the US dollar will always remain the worlds safe haven currency no matter how much they print it up. (BTW, no I am not taking political sides I am speaking purely from a financial stand point from what I see every day at work.) IF the dollar goes kaput, so does the entire world and no one will be buying your nor anyone's silver and gold, so its in your best interests that the dollar doesn't collapse.

So in the end, are you ready to take on the risk with owning PMs? If you can then you should purchase a small percentage and see how it goes. Remember the risk, not the "how much am I going to make".


Bekiz- yes the yen is getting smacked around, its a shame you couldn't hedge that.

Xavier has a good idea with a high yielding stock. I certainly wouldn't buy tho, one that is making yearly lows with a high dividend because its highly probable that high dividend gets cut and then that stock will tank even further which it already is at 52 lows, which is setting the trend.


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Theres reasons for an against, as with any investing just dont put all your eggs in one basket.

You would probably do better with safe stocks that pay dividends like an Exxon, though the new tax rate will eat into some of the money. Well performing stocks can be good too and PMS can be a good hedge if things go bad.

Im not a big believer in PMs solely for making money long term. The paper ones arent bad for that since you can set sell limits and protect yourself easily if they crash, but having gold coins if your sole reason is to make money I dont personally subscribe to that theory. If it starts going down for a bit and people panic the market will flood with them and youll have a hard time selling and lose a good chunk.

The dollar is in trouble long term, it will be fine for a while though and certainly long enough to transfer to other currencies or metals when the time comes, the world simply cant let the US economy crash without going down too. That said it doesn't mean its bullet proof and if we treat it as such one day it will fail, whether or not thats in our life time is a different story.
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 Posted 01/15/2013  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok so when does it financially make no sense to continue putting money in the bank?

Possibly once you reach the limit in which the FDIC ensures your money it wouldn't make much sense to continue putting money into your bank account. Put couldn't you just put money in a separate account with a different bank?
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It depends what your goal is. Without knowing your financial goals its hard to say. If you want as little risk as possible a bank account is great. The FDIC insurance is kind of overrated, unless your bank fails or something else you dont have to worry about it. If the FDIC had to cover a ton of those claims anyway there would be bigger issues. Theres plenty of people with much more than that in a single account for better interest rates but yes people also will have several accounts as a backup plan to keep money hidden or just in case ect.

You should have about what you would need to live off for a year in the bank and then a little more if you can in case of emergency. You never know when the big medical bill will hit or something like that. Just as a rainy day fund. Thats not to say you cant be working on stocks or other things while you build that fund but having that emergency supply is important just in case.
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many invest in PMs as a store of value of their money. PMs always have a value, at least through the past few thousand years. They have some protection against inflation. Our fiat money is just backed by the faith and trust of the US! You know where that seems to be heading.
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Yes, a good paying divy stock will beat the stuffing out of any CD you are looking for and XOM is perfect like Baseball suggested. Slow moving turtle that pays a solid divy. The only stock I own in my personal account along with GLD.
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PCGS's parent company Collectors universe (ticker symbol CLCT) is paying a 12% dividend and is near its 52 week low at the moment.

Very often, companies that are at 52-week lows are there for a reason... they deserve to be! Also, any company paying a 12% dividend is likely doing so because they have to. Otherwise, they would be borrowing money from a local bank at 3-4% rather than paying 3-4 times that amount in dividends. One should also ask what the financial state of such a company is. Do they have a lot of debt? Have they been sued recently or have other substantial financial obligations? Do the company officers own a lot of the stock? If so, have they been buying or selling shares? What did they pay in taxes last year? If their earnings and tax statements do not match up, look out, as they may be playing some fast and loose accounting games. There is much due diligence that needs to be done BEFORE risking your money on a stock. It's quite a lot of work, actually, but it can pay off pretty well.

As to the OP's question, yes, he should buy some PMs but only after he has other financial matters in hand, such as an emergency fund created, bills paid off, a 401k or IRA started, etc.
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Investing in PM's is also investing in a store of energy. Investing in PM's is also a patient man's game, and PM markets are kind of topped out right now. Save your powder for the next recession, then look at what you can get with your money vs. today. Thank me later.
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