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I have limestone encrustation on the face of a valuable coin - how does one remove it with minimal harm to the coin?

Limestone is quite porous and easily dissolved by acid - but the patina is very weak (it might not even continue under the encrustation).

This is a high quality coin of Eudoxia - 122 on Steve's list of 207 so I dont have any room for experimentation per se.

Any ideas to clean it off? It cant be cleaned by oil (6 months in oil, nearly) and steel needles do very little constructive.
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 Posted 01/21/2013  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember you posted this coin. Like you said you don't have room for experimentation. The best advice I can give is to do nothing further. Why it might seem appealing to remove the "encrustation" you risk damaging the surface metal by removing the mass mechanically. If you attempt to use acids or the like you risk discoloration and or complete removal of the patina, neither option would be advisable. Enjoy the coin for its character and for whom is on it.
If you feel you must must must clean this coin further- you could soak the coin for a week or so in DI (deionized water) or distilled water. Allow the water to permeate the limestone. Give a quick dip (2-5seconds) in high purity acetone to dry the coin. Place the coin a sheet of Aluminum foil and bake the coin in your oven @ 375 F for 15 minutes. (Dont forget to pre heat). Then allow to cool to room temperature and gently poke at the lime with tooth pick or tooth brush. Hope this helps.
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 Posted 01/21/2013  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the tip - I've been looking for some distilled water. Ill try a 'health foods' shop.

The reverse has buckets of character - but the obverse the encrustation covers just Eudoxia's face! Pretty annoying. And its a coin with great ornate clothing pictured, unlike what you usually get (low grade and bland!).
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 Posted 01/21/2013  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MartiVltori to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. Distilled water is the mildest treatment you can apply. Just keep changing the water every couple of days and soak until the encrustation comes off. May take weeks.

You should be able to get it at any grocery store. Not sure why you would have any trouble finding it.
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 Posted 01/21/2013  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've been looking for some distilled water


Try a petrol station, most carry deionized water, should be about 50p per litre, same as distilled for the purpose you need it for. For some reason distilled is hard to find these days
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As your in the UK you might have a local 99p store?(http://www.99pstoresltd.com/index.asp) My local one sells 2 litre plastic cans of deionized water used for ironing down the household aisle.
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Strange that it would be so hard for you to find. All stores here carry it. check in the laundry supply area. It is used in clothes irons.
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 Posted 01/22/2013  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcmworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Nursery water" that they sell in the baby section is good also.
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 Posted 01/25/2013  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add medoraman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know its winter here and in the UK, but I always get my distilled water from the dehumidifier or air conditioner. The water from these are already distilled, and free.
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 Posted 01/25/2013  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Given that it's limestone and therefore porous, wouldn't a soaking-freezing-resoaking cycle work? That shouldn't affect the original metal at all.
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I found some (trudged through about every shop in town). sold as Deionized water for cars. Says if ingested seek medical help immediately, which is an odd thing for a bottle of distilled water. Eh.
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 Posted 01/26/2013  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it says that it provably has sone kind of coolent or anti freeze in it.
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Well, it smells as you'd expect and its rated for irons, so it shouldnt have anti freeze. And Sorry dave - didnt see your response (posted as I posted) - Ill try that. First I'm going to try heating up the water to try and get it to soak some water up before I freeze it.
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I'm not sure why most sellers have switched from distilled to deionized over here but seem to remember someone telling me its a cheaper/easier process to produce it? Never say to a chemist that they are the same thing thing but for what we use it for the difference is not worth worrying about, indeed DI water is often purer than distilled and that is a good thing. As close to H2O as possible is what you want and sadly tap water has all sorts of other things in it.

The car reference is for radiators and batteries but many people now say tap water is better for radiators as its not as 'hungry' for ions (can corrode from the inside) and most batteries are sealed. Its a bit pointless really unless you intend to keep your motor for a long time as its unlikely to do any real harm for about a decade. In the end your just choosing between death by corrosion or death by scaling! Anti-freeze needs to be added to it when it goes in the radiator and is not present before. I used to use it to refill fork truck batteries, much like household irons you don't want anything else in the water that could cause scaling as it evaporates.


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Says if ingested seek medical help immediately


Although pure it could still have bacteria in it, guess the manufactures are just covering themselves, I bet I drink worse at my local every weekend
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I suppose it depends on the air quality where you live, but I collect rainwater, and leave it a few days, for the dust to settle out of it. I've been informed that this is as good as anything bought in a shop.

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 Posted 01/27/2013  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Peter_thomas - it is indeed distilled, but a lot of stuff gets in it while its up there and un-distills it. The main worry I would have with that is acidity but it would most likely not make a difference
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