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 Posted 01/24/2013  09:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bburnzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
i purchased this coin from a dealer at NYINC and I suspect its fake. your opinion is greatly appreciated.

"euboia histiaia diobol"

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 Posted 01/24/2013  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What exactly stands out to you about this coin? Is there a seam on the edge? I see no warning signs at all (although Greeks aren't my specialty).

Oh and
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 Posted 01/24/2013  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcmworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks ok to me on the face of it.
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I've spotted coins very similar my coin on fake reports.. but I'm not a 100%..
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All of a sudden in the past month or so, I've noticed a lot of these euboia histiaia coins on the market. In fact, I asked about it at the FUN Show to see if there had been a hoard found recently. However, no one had an answer. I have also noticed many that I would question their authenticity. This one I think looks right, but buyer beware. Double check the fake reports. If it's close, stay away.
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i really cant tell if its fake or not cause I don't have that much experience. I'm only going by what I have seen on the fake coin reports. and also the dealer that sold it to me wont respond to my emails.
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 Posted 01/24/2013  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I strongly suspect that you are correct.

The following is a diagnostic about fakes of this type put together by a well respected dealer:-

There is a batch of these coins that have all been declared fake after a hoard turned up at CNG. They have a distinctive style that allows them to be declared as fake (see below).

Obv:- flowing hair, pointing upwards, and the large pellets making up the flowers. This hair style is not found on authentic examples
Rev:- poorly executed . On these forgeries AIEWN is always behind the nymph, although this does exist on authentic examples as well. ISTI is always before the nymph's feet. All have the wing on the prow, some very poorly executed and none have any symbols below the prow

He has compiled a montage of several fakes for comparison though the image is not exhaustive with regards to the dies used.

http://bpmurphy.ancients.info/image...taiacomp.jpg

A heavily fakes type that often turns up in "Hoards" that are distributed through unwary/uncaring dealers.

Martin
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Have you checked Forum's NFSL (Notorious Fake Sellers List)?

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/bo...opic=18502.0

To me, the coin looks right, but like I said there are plenty of fakes of this coin on the market. Do you have the measurement and weight. Many times the fakes are way off from the originals.

I just checked wildwinds and there are no diobols listed, only Tetrobols. These weigh in around 2.5 to 3g range. Take a look at this link:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/gree...tiaia/i.html
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for the dealer not to respond to my emails means to me he knew the coin was a fake when he sold it to me. this mite be a stupid question but a prestigious show like NYINC, shouldn't there be some consequences for shady dealers like this one?
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diobol is definitely wrong. thats how it is labeled. its suppose to be a tetrobol. the weight is 1.8 g
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 Posted 01/24/2013  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse is quite similar to this one from Forvms Ancient Fake site.
Reverse not as much but still close.
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 Posted 01/24/2013  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I avoid these as there are more fakes than I care to fight. While there are real ones with the large balls in the hair, that seems to be a common feature of fakes I have seen so I really would avoid a coin with that hair style unless you buy them from Barry Murphy (link above) or another dealer of that level (there is no level higher IMHO).
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 Posted 01/24/2013  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bburnzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that's exactly the same picture I saw ..
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