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I recently sold a 1799/8 Bust Dollar on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300843500610I described the coin as being the "15 Stars" variety. The buyer has emailed stating there are only 13 stars. I have counted and recounted, and I come up with 15 stars everytime. Am I seeing things or is this guy unable to count? How do you deal with a buyer like this? |
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United Arab Emirates
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Sorry, I only count 13. 7 on the left, 6 on the right.
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United States
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This is awkward, but I only see 13 stars.
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Um, it's the reverse we're talking about, guys. Stars 14 and 15 - on the top arc - are almost completely buried in the clouds; the 13-star variety has two only partially buried in the clouds. You don't even have to count them to know what you've got, like the honest 15-star variety which g048406 has offered. Buyer is straight-up clueless.
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I counted the stars on the reverse and completely missed the stars in the clouds. But, I know nothing about this coin, and neither does the buyer apparently.  Edited by Weezer1878
01/25/2013 4:20 pm
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Also the buyer did not even bother to do some simple research. This a coin series that I know nothing about and in a just minutes on Google, I found the following web site. http://www.earlydollars.org/1799overview.htmWhich clearly shows the different reverses. g048406 description was correct. Ken |
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All the buyer had to do was look at the rest of the seller's items (and his record) - meaning no offense to speak of you in the third person, g048406 - to realize that this seller is not exactly clueless about Classics.
This 1799 was nicely bought. The 1798 also listed would be equally nicely-bought at the price; that number would nearly triple if it were not a Details coin. I'd throw $3300 at that coin in a flat second if I had the wherewithal.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I have a suggestion that may alleviate a similar problem in the future- image with slab without a big glare spot on the label. I can see that it is a PCGS slab but most of the important details are obscured.
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You know, I never even thought that the buyer might have been refering to seeing 13 stars because he was looking at the front. I guess, even though I'm right about the 15 stars on the reverse, I should have realized he may not have realized it meant the reverse. I 'ASSUMED' he knew to look on the back. Why would someone buy an expensive coin and not know what he's buying? Mind boggling to me.
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I just re-read the buyer's email to me.....He said, "I counted several times the number of stars on the reverse and I was able to count 13 stars each time". Apparently, this buyer has NO CLUE
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Why would someone buy an expensive coin and not know what he's buying? Mind boggling to me.
I know, right? What are you doing in this market if such a fundamental characteristic is unknown to you? Where's my cluebat? |
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 Looks like 15 to me. If you know where to look they are easy to spot. |
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"I know, right? What are you doing in this market if such a fundamental characteristic is unknown to you" Can you believe he just opened a "not as described" case saying there are only 13 stars on the reverse. I can't imagine that ebay would ever side with him over PCGS in this matter. I will keep you posted on what ebay rules. PS: I told him I would give him a refund, less shipping, but, he refused saying "I misled him" |
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He opened a dispute? Are you kidding me? This is....I....just don't know what to say. If it comes to it, point ebay to this thread, and the following in particular: No collector with even a rudimentary knowledge of this issue can fail to differentiate the 13 vs. 15 stars varieties on sight. If there are not six clear stars on the top arc, it's a 15-star reverse. This is simple, objective fact, not subject to argument.Or, equally-valid: If there are 5 stars on the second arc, it is a "13 star reverse." If there are 6 stars on the second arc, it's a "15 star reverse." This is simple, objective fact, not subject to argument.Your description is flawlessly accurate according to the specific variety description verbiage commonly used by all of the TPG's as well as every knowledgeable collector of the series, as originated by those whose groundwork delineated these varieties, and whose initials define the variety numbers assigned. This is pants-on-head militant stupidity. |
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